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Old 08-04-2015, 08:00 PM
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"Eywa" is an enormous plant-like organism with the capacity for sapience and what appears to be a vast amount of biomass connecting to other "units" of the same organism. The Tree of Souls appears to be (at minimum) a major component of the organism, while the smaller units consist of individuals such the Tree of Voices.

It is not really a deity, but it maintains a mutualistic relationship with the Na'vi, who protect it, and depending on whether or not it can manipulate trees it may also be able to increase food yield.

The fact that the Na'vi consider it to be a deity works in favor of both parties, since this kind of ideology precludes any attempts at analysis and the organism's capabilities form a positive feedback loop to reinforce/maintain the illusion of divinity.
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Ok , in taking a look at theory's as to symbolism revolving around what "Eywa" might represent ,, I often get a Pandora wide interconnected "super sentient organism"
bonded in some way to all life on Pandora ,, I have reflected upon the Kogi and what they call "Aluna" (The ancient creator the great mother a part of there creation story)
in defining what "Aluna" is::

Aluna /aloohna / noun
Pure thought,, Memory,, Spirit,,
Mind ,, Soul ,, Imagination

The root Entity out of which all things are born,
in which everything is contained.

In Aluna (Eywa reflected in Avatar) there is the memory of the past
and the potential for the future.

Aluna (Eywa) forms the -""bridge""- between the universe and the Human sprit

To me this reflects upon the research upon what some in the science field call
"LUCA" or Last universal common Ancester when one hears the Kogi people speak
of "Aluna" they say this (ignore the rest of music contained in the video just focus on the roots the story at the beginning)" I am trying to use it to make a point please bare with me I am trying to present
things from there "world view" of course its different from the perspective of Avatar
"Kogi Aluna creation story example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB1DQ_C6Gig

Now take a look at research being done on "L.U.C.A" "last universal common ancestor"

Meet 'LUCA': Our 3.5 Billion Year Old Ancestor | Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsYWH3lpCOE

to me the story's do share a number of common parallels so in my feelings
"Eywa" in the Avatar story universe may be a "reflection" on some of these examples
To keep things simple I will hold at least for now , findings in Quantum physics on "entanglement" as well as string theory concepts , as they are still theory..
but I would like people to share feelings on this subject as to is Eywa in the Avatar universe "The common ancestor to all life on Pandora "
Is "Eywa" a example of a planet wide "super organism" from which all life in Pandora shares common roots
and source "memory's" so for all essentual reasons "The All Mother"

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Old 08-12-2015, 12:40 AM
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[QUOTE=allroock123;184505Avatar universe "The common ancestor to all life on Pandora "[/QUOTE]

I think you're reading into the "all-mother" title a little too much.

The common ancestor of all life would almost certainly not exist on a world with a developed biosphere, because:

1) The organisms that descend from the common ancestor compete with the common ancestor for space and resources, and since common ancestors at any classification level tend to be more general and less specialized, the chance that they could share the same habitat indefinitely is effectively 0%.

2) The general climate and conditions of worlds change drastically from the time the first organisms form to when the planet has attained a developed biosphere (I am defining this as a world with terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems that differ regionally and feature produces and multiple tiers of consumer organisms with biodiversity similar to Earth circa 5-10 thousand years ago). When the first organisms congealed from a mixture of nucleic acids, phospholipids, and some proteins, Earth's atmosphere had a relatively low concentration of oxygen, many regions were still volcanically active, and many areas were generally toxic to today's animals and plants. The first organisms were bacteria, and then later on a different organism formed that had a more advanced cellular structure. At some point, this organism entered into a symbiotic relationship with a photosynthetic bacteria (cyanobacteria), and began producing oxygen as a waste product of photosynthesis. This would be the ancestor to all plants and algae, and they were so successful that they changed the chemistry of the atmosphere, drastically increasing the amount of oxygen so quickly that they changed the climate and killed off many other early organisms that could only live in the absence of oxygen. This change alone (there were others as well) made life impossible for many other organisms, and by this point the common ancestor to all of them may very well have been long gone.

3) The common ancestor to all life on any world would be little more than a colony of cells forming a slimy coating on a submerged rock or a thick, gooey film growing on the bottom of an ocean. Organisms at this stage have little organization outside the cellular level, and the very first organisms may not even be colonial, but rather be unicellular and float aimlessly through the ocean. The Tree of Souls is far too organized to be the common ancestor to anything on Pandora.

4) The Tree of Souls concept is actually based on the biology and morphology of hydrozoans. Hydrozoans are a class of cnidarians (jellies, corals, anemones, etc.) that feature a branching tree or plant-like growing stage that enters a reproductive stage that produces reproductive units that appear more like jellies.



This is why I often say that the Tree of Souls is not really a plant, at least not in the strictest terms. The "Seeds of the Sacred Tree" are actually living reproductive units, and not seeds (seeds are not motile). Hydrozoans cannot connect to other hydrozoans, but they are animals, and as such they possess nervous systems that conduct signals with electrical impulses.

All of those things also apply to Pandora; the Tree of Souls is called the "all-mother" as a result of culture, not because it is literally the mother to all the organisms on that world. The common ancestor to all Pandoran life would almost certainly not be around at the time of the movie, since it just wouldn't be able to survive all of the changes that had to have happened, it would have been outcompeted, and because the Tree of Souls (and all the other units of the same organism) are far and away more advanced than a "common ancestor" organism would be.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure "all-mother" is just how their culture prefers to view it (and as I said before, that's probably a good thing).
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4) The Tree of Souls concept is actually based on the biology and morphology of hydrozoans. Hydrozoans are a class of cnidarians (jellies, corals, anemones, etc.) that feature a branching tree or plant-like growing stage that enters a reproductive stage that produces reproductive units that appear more like jellies.



This is why I often say that the Tree of Souls is not really a plant, at least not in the strictest terms. The "Seeds of the Sacred Tree" are actually living reproductive units, and not seeds (seeds are not motile). Hydrozoans cannot connect to other hydrozoans, but they are animals, and as such they possess nervous systems that conduct signals with electrical impulses.
Is it all right if I added this (crediting you) to the OP? This is seriously one of the most interesting things I've read in a while.
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i much prefer the idea of Eywa to anything that humanity worships.
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Eywa is extremely similar to some deities or concepts worshiped throughout history and to this date
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In reflection,, most the north American native peoples (with some exceptions) in there internal ethos sees this as spiritual,, its referred to as the "great mystery" or the Creation Force,, recognizing aspects of both female and male,,its "internal" not external ,, "We give humble thanks in recognition of these forces.
this Changes in South American and Polynesian world view into Female and Male Gods and these are worshiped and offered tribute to .. Avatar touches on "both" because it contains source reflections from all these living cultures ,,, To understand the roots of there persptives I would encourage people to "listen" and reflect upon to these peoples Creation story's ,, This Why I have brought up examples from the "Kogi" and what they Call "Aluna" the recent Disney film "Moana " also digs deep into Polynesian Creation myth and takes a very interesting angle in refection to issues today as one of its lead charters is called upon by the ocean to ,, "put back the heart"
one can see this example in the films story "but" its how the films storytellers came upon writing it this way that holds a deeper interest to me in asking the question , where was this story angle sourced from ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Lm1-W0jow

layer it with these findings touching on,, LUCA or Last Universal Common Ancestor theory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77sWGJkZZ1s

And I will also reference ,, a clip that includes a vocal telling of the Kogi Creation story touching what is Aluna
my focus is on the story only not the music after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB1DQ_C6Gig&t=61s

And the Creation Story of the Haudenosaunee in what is now North America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzDM7Jmg94

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