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Old 07-20-2011, 06:22 PM
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i was watching the movie the other day with my brother and he brought up a good question.

how much life is in an exo pack? because at the end of the movie when quaritch dies, jake goes for the mask. then neytiri finds him and puts it on...

well in the directors cut edition jake and neytiri find tsu'tey( which is the best part of the movie for me) they are in the forest for awhile.

so the question is how much oxygen is in an exo pack? Or is it that it has a filter which turns the air on pandora into oxyen?
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:47 PM
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It seemed to be a filter. To me at least.
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:55 PM
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i was watching the movie the other day with my brother and he brought up a good question.

how much life is in an exo pack? because at the end of the movie when quaritch dies, jake goes for the mask. then neytiri finds him and puts it on...

well in the directors cut edition jake and neytiri find tsu'tey( which is the best part of the movie for me) they are in the forest for awhile.

so the question is how much oxygen is in an exo pack? Or is it that it has a filter which turns the air on pandora into oxyen?
Neither.

Pandora's atmosphere is composed of far larger amounts of CO2 than Earth's; enough to cause earth animals to asphyxiate and become lethally poisoned by it in minutes.

It also has a large enough concentration of H2S to be poisonous. H2S is extremely toxic to many Earth organisms, and will kill in surprisingly small doses/concentrations. The Exopacks are just portable air cleaners for the humans, with filters that capture H2S/CO2 molecules in a filtration device, which has cartiridges that must be changed out periodically to restore filtration capacity.

The concentrations of O2 in the atmosphere is high enough for humans to breathe, and high enough that the metabolism of Pandoran animals, including the Na'vi, can use it as the basis of their cellular respiration. Proof of this is their red blood, which tends to point towards an iron-based oxygen carrying molecule, like the hemoglobin in human blood.
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:59 PM
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Neither.

Pandora's atmosphere is composed of far larger amounts of CO2 than Earth's; enough to cause earth animals to asphyxiate and become lethally poisoned by it in minutes.

It also has a large enough concentration of H2S to be poisonous. H2S is extremely toxic to many Earth organisms, and will kill in surprisingly small doses/concentrations. The Exopacks are just portable air cleaners for the humans, with filters that capture H2S/CO2 molecules in a filtration device, which has cartiridges that must be changed out periodically to restore filtration capacity.

The concentrations of O2 in the atmosphere is high enough for humans to breathe, and high enough that the metabolism of Pandoran animals, including the Na'vi, can use it as the basis of their cellular respiration. Proof of this is their red blood, which tends to point towards a iron-based oxygen carrying molecule, like the hemoglobin in human blood.

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Old 07-21-2011, 12:04 AM
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they can last up to 2 weeks before you have to clean the filter. just rinse them with water and they're good to go
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Neither.

Pandora's atmosphere is composed of far larger amounts of CO2 than Earth's; enough to cause earth animals to asphyxiate and become lethally poisoned by it in minutes.

It also has a large enough concentration of H2S to be poisonous. H2S is extremely toxic to many Earth organisms, and will kill in surprisingly small doses/concentrations. The Exopacks are just portable air cleaners for the humans, with filters that capture H2S/CO2 molecules in a filtration device, which has cartiridges that must be changed out periodically to restore filtration capacity.

The concentrations of O2 in the atmosphere is high enough for humans to breathe, and high enough that the metabolism of Pandoran animals, including the Na'vi, can use it as the basis of their cellular respiration. Proof of this is their red blood, which tends to point towards an iron-based oxygen carrying molecule, like the hemoglobin in human blood.
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all hail Raiden haha i was expecting a one word answer and I think i learned more about the atmosphere and such in that post than I ever did in Biology 2 years ago.
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where do you find the survival guide?
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The exopack is a set of filters and a CO2 scrubbing canister (passes the air through a chemical that absorbs CO2, such as lithium hydroxide or soda lime), albeit one that is a lot more efficient than present-day ones based on the size (actually visible as the cylindrical part on the backpack-type part of the exopack)

The only thing that really needs to be done to keep one working is to remove and clean the filters every month or so, as well as occasional replacement or refurbishing of the CO2 scrubber.

If an exopack was an oxygen supply then it would need a large diving-style tank, which would have to be pressurised, as well as regularly maintained and refilled, and would create decompression problems when entering and leaving buildings and vehicles. A set of filters is easier to build and maintain, and far more practical in an atmosphere with ~20% oxygen.
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If the exopack is a filter, what does it have a long hose?
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...also, note the obvious pressure cylinder on the left side of the belt-pack in the upper-right hand picture. I believe there has to be at least some form of gas supply going on here. --NivikLiriak 04:47, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

It is still the future, the filters could be filled with trillions of nanorobots witch remove the dangerous toxics. But i concur, i would like to know were that info comes from--Calles 15:47, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

But if we have nanobots that can filter the toxics, why don't we put them in the lining of our bronchial tubes, or at least in a less clumsy mask? --NivikLiriak 23:12, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
I don't find the mask clumsy at all. Have you seen the masks that are used in our own time. Except for the backpack of course. Well okay it is probably not nano robots but some kind of nano material that traps the substances is still possible. The tank on the side might be for keeping hydrogen to make electricity it is obvious that pushing 5 liter breaths trough thous small pipes is not going to be easy with out a fan or similar device. And keeping a slight over pressure in the mask is also not dumb. --Calles 01:49, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:07 AM
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If the exopack is a filter, what does it have a long hose?
Because the backpack section is where the scrubber and filters are. A mask with both hanging from it would not be comfortable, easy to use or practical.

If the scrubbing canister was an air cylinder, it would only be able to provide air for a few minutes of breathing. Such a capacity would limit them to emergency measures only (which is instead covered by chemical oxygen generators with facemasks, similar to the types used in modern day aircraft which suffer depressurisation at high altitude). An independent air supply would make no sense in an oxygen atmosphere, as rebreathers are used today in potentially fatal CO2 concentrations such as mine rescues in place of them, due to having a longer operational time. A compressed gas cylinder requires adjusting of the gas mix for pressures, extensive training, and large amounts of maintenance and infrastructure to charge and service the equipment, while an exopack needs an occasional filter cleaning and scrubber replacement.

Concept art of a chemical oxygen generator:
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