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Old 08-19-2011, 02:07 PM
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Uhh... lol?

That's kind of the definition of artistic lisence?
Good stories do not need to double-back on their own logic. Minority Report doesn't, Moon doesn't, Star Wars doesn't, Aliens, AFAIK, doesn't. The point of world-building is to say to the audience, "This is how this world works," but once you've said that, you can't contradict it without breaking suspension of disbelief.

There are tons of justifications for going to an alien planet. "We're mining for profit and shipping the proceeds back with antimatter-powered rockets" is not one of them, because the RDA can't possibly do it profitably, which defeats the whole point of the exercise.
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True, but in Aliens for example, I don't ever remember them going into much specific detail about how the colonization worked, how their space travel worked, terraforming... how much of anything worked, really.

To be honest, because I don't have a desire for everything in a fantasy film to be 100% accurate, my suspension of disbelief isn't founded in whether the physics of a storytale is perfect, but rather whether what physically happens is believable. I mean, humpty-dumpty fell off a wall, sure, but it doesn't disclose if he fell off a wall of sufficient enough height to generate the velocity for an egg to break, or whether it is set on this planet, where the air density is the same.
I'm more concerned about a friggin' humanoid egg to be honest.

I guess maybe it's JC's fault for trying to make a universe a little too farfetched.

In a science-fiction film.

Shame on him.

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There's a difference between being consist with RL, and being consistent with itself. I don't care about the first, but Avatar can't even do the second, even though most stories can.
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There's a difference between being consist with RL, and being consistent with itself. I don't care about the first, but Avatar can't even do the second, even though most stories can.
Well, and as someone who frequently bashes her head against Avatar's worldbuilding (oh,Earth, so many headaches), I don't know. RDA being over there as a sci-fi version of a giant oil rig works as the premise, and so what the world says works. I tend to assume that there is some unobtainium in the solar system, no matter what the extended material says. Also, the start of an extra-solar colony, once Hell's Gate was more secure. It works for me.

But, I'm a history girl, not a physics one.
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Who the **** cares. It's a movie.

Just enjoy the adventure it takes you on!
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Who the **** cares. It's a movie.

Just enjoy the adventure it takes you on!
Er, what? There are a number of reasons to care. Don't like people trying to work out the world, don't read threads on it. Pretty easy solution.
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Interesting.... But honestly, i don't think it matters. It's Science-fiction. It doesn't need to be realistic.
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Er, what? There are a number of reasons to care. Don't like people trying to work out the world, don't read threads on it. Pretty easy solution.
You don't understand. People working out the world is wonderful.

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Hmm, I smell a troll.
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Interesting.... But honestly, i don't think it matters. It's Science-fiction. It doesn't need to be realistic.
But doesn't it need to be consistent?
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Listen, i have no knowledge in that level of physics, so for all i care, it's consistent. and i mean, it's not like it's a massive part in the story, you don't even hear about it in the movie. besides, i don't think that JC or any of the writers are super physicians
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Yeah. You see the ISV for...5 minutes at most in the original movie, maybe 6 in the extended version. Why let some artistic leeway ruin the other 2 1/2 hours? Really now? Chill out, dude. Pandora for the most part (sans mountains) was realistic (like I summed up before, think prehistoric Earth with more bioluminescence and a hive mind). And that's the bulk of the movie, so why get your tighty whities in a bunch over something that is a fraction of a fraction of that time? Give the damn space ship a rest already, it was a necessary plot device for everything else to be allowed to occur, even if it had to be rather far-fetched.

You are being way too critical. Almost to the point of being trollish. If you didn't like Avatar, and couldn't get into the universe, why are you even here? What are you trying to prove by finding every little flub (as are in all movies, I smell a double-standard afoot) with Avatar and stringing up JC for it?
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I don't get it. First of all we aren't given nearly enough information about how exactly this is happening to rule out every possibility. It's over 100 years in the future. JC could pay someone to sit down for 10 minutes and come up with a "plausible" solution, because we can hardly guess what the technology in 2154 is going to look like.

On the other hand, even if we *could* prove that this was definitively "wrong", then what? Well, then nothing.
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Yeah. You see the ISV for...5 minutes at most in the original movie, maybe 6 in the extended version. Why let some artistic leeway ruin the other 2 1/2 hours? Really now? Chill out, dude. Pandora for the most part (sans mountains) was realistic (like I summed up before, think prehistoric Earth with more bioluminescence and a hive mind). And that's the bulk of the movie, so why get your tighty whities in a bunch over something that is a fraction of a fraction of that time? Give the damn space ship a rest already, it was a necessary plot device for everything else to be allowed to occur, even if it had to be rather far-fetched.
The spaceship only appears for a couple of minutes, but I'd have thought whether or not it's possible to actually make a profit from what the RDA is doing would be pretty important.

And since it is such a important plot device, why not handwave it just a little bit more? Make unobtanium the fuel of an FTL drive, and the problems are solved!
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You are being way too critical. Almost to the point of being trollish. If you didn't like Avatar, and couldn't get into the universe, why are you even here? What are you trying to prove by finding every little flub (as are in all movies, I smell a double-standard afoot) with Avatar and stringing up JC for it?
Other movies' logic has flaws, sure, but find one movie that shoots its own premise in the foot in the way RDAconomics does. I don't remember one.

And I'm sorry if I gave the impression I didn't like the film; because I do. It's incredibly effective at throwing you into the world. However, Cameron sacrificed consistency for his plot, and IMO, that's pretty vital for suspending disbelief. For instance, imagine if, at the end of Harry Potter
Spoiler: pretty useless spoiler, but whatever 

That'd be a pretty badly-written ending, wouldn't it?
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Someone is being trollish for poking at the world and science? Good to know.
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