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Old 08-28-2011, 08:11 AM
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Something struck me yesterday, and I was curious if I was the only one: anyone else think the story/circumstances of Tom's death and cremation are a bit shifty?

Because, he's this top scientist only a week away from leaving the planet, and yet he's mugged and killed. We never see a funeral, even though he's been in intense training with a highly select group of people for three years, and even his brother is only able to see the body as it's on the slab about to cremated. The cremation itself doesn't bother me, as it makes sense given how crowded the Earth is, but the timing strikes me as being very rushed. After all, the cremation will utterly destroy the body.

And there is also the fact that Jake and Norm never meet on Earth, which again strikes me as being very odd.

I'm not so far suspicious that I'm declaring that the mugging story IS a cover-up by the RDA, just that it - and the following events - strike me as being rather odd at the least.

So, anyone else, or is it just me?
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:00 AM
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Yes, I too found it very convenient. But hey, it's a fiction movie. No great surprise.
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:25 AM
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Yes, I too found it very convenient. But hey, it's a fiction movie. No great surprise.
Well, Tom needed to die for the narrative, that's fine. I was more pondering in-universe that the story and events seemed a bit like the RDA was sweeping it all under the carpet.
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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One fanfic I saw had Tom killed by a time traveler, because Jake told him about Tom being killed.

Unfortunately, I can't see Cameron doing something like that seriously.
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One fanfic I saw had Tom killed by a time traveler, because Jake told him about Tom being killed.

Unfortunately, I can't see Cameron doing something like that seriously.
*snerk* Heh, that's one, I suppose!

ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, it didn't look like Tom's body had been throguh an autopsy, either. Very odd for a murder victim that connected.
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I'm not so far suspicious that I'm declaring that the mugging story IS a cover-up by the RDA, just that it - and the following events - strike me as being rather odd at the least.
Why would the RDA harm Tom or try to cover up his death? They've invested many millions of dollars to create his own avatar and train him how to use it. If Jake didn't say yes to going to Pandora, it all would have just been a huge monetary loss to the RDA.

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Actually, now that I think about it, it didn't look like Tom's body had been throguh an autopsy, either. Very odd for a murder victim that connected.
Depends.

If he was found still alive after being attacked and taken to a hospital where he then died, the autopsy wouldn't really be all that necessary because the cause and time of death will be witnessed by a doctor.

Or maybe given the amount of people that die on earth everyday in the year 2154, they stopped caring and quit doing autopsies.
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:43 AM
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Why would the RDA harm Tom or try to cover up his death? They've invested many millions of dollars to create his own avatar and train him how to use it. If Jake didn't say yes to going to Pandora, it all would have just been a huge monetary loss to the RDA.
RDA, as the in the megacorporation, has no reason to kill him, but someone else might. And if that someone was connected within the RDA of that area, or another driver (which'd then risk the loss of TWO lots of all that money and training), or if his death reflected badly for some reason, I can see a cover-up. And people tend to murder people for emotional reasons - love, anger, jealousy.

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Depends.

If he was found still alive after being attacked and taken to a hospital where he then died, the autopsy wouldn't really be all that necessary because the cause and time of death will be witnessed by a doctor.

Or maybe given the amount of people that die on earth everyday in the year 2154, they stopped caring and quit doing autopsies.
The hospital explanation actually makes a lot of sense! Not sure about the not caring, though, not if Tom was valuable.

And! I should point out I'm more playing around with 'what ifs' than wedded to any theory.
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Exactly. Earth has so many people, most in such bad circumstances, that another murder would be quite routine, even if he was found dead rather than died in a hospital (and either could have happened).

As for the reason, Jake stated he was just mugged - in such happenings, people do try to avoid actually killing someone because it ends up badly for the person who does it when they eventually get caught, but it does happen.
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Tinfoil hat time.

Quartich/Selfridge had Tom killed so they could get Jake to Pandora. They knew they could easily manipulate Jake into doing what they wanted. To bad things did not proceed exactly as they had foreseen it...or maybe they did.
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lol, what a thought
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That makes no sense
For all they knew, he could have been useless and got killed on the first day - if he had even accepted, since he was never forced to.
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That makes no sense
For all they knew, he could have been useless and got killed on the first day - if he had even accepted, since he was never forced to.
Nono, you see, Cyvaris is assuming that Selfridge/Quaritch have far superior ability to manipulate and predict people than they actually demonstrated.
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Nono, you see, Cyvaris is assuming that Selfridge/Quaritch have far superior ability to manipulate and predict people than they actually demonstrated.
Or they overestimate their ability! They think they can pull a Xanatos Gambit but in the end Ewya out gambits them! But what if that is what they wanted to have happen? I love epileptic trees and Avatar has some of the best both literally and err non-literally.
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