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Raptor 01-02-2012 07:53 AM

Purpose of Quaritch's ground detachment?
This is one of Quaritch's tactical decisions that I didn't understand. His "shock and awe" mission was to bomb the living hell out of the Tree of Souls, so his fleet of aircraft should be enough. Why would he deploy ground forces though? What significance would they have in his mission? It's not like the Na'vi possesses double digit SAMs or any other kind of ground threat to the aerial fleet. Or was this done simply for the sake of drama?

tm20 01-02-2012 01:09 PM

probably to eliminate Jake Sully and Norm who were in the cabin. they probably thought the cabin was nearby. doesn't matter, they got fuked up :)

Human No More 01-02-2012 04:14 PM

Because he could.

He's basically mad, had focused on revenge to the point of getting every marine on Pandora killed, so he thought if he had them, why not use them.

ScottWashburn 01-03-2012 01:04 AM

I think Quaritch just wanted to get all his toys into the action. It was pretty obvious that Quaritch was just itching for a fight. Once he got it, he wasn't about to hold anything back.

Sempu 01-03-2012 04:05 AM

It's an axiom of warfare that you cannot take territory with air power. So this would be a natural strategy from a military man.

Raptor 01-03-2012 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Sempu (Post 166365)
It's an axiom of warfare that you cannot take territory with air power. So this would be a natural strategy from a military man.

But as far as I can tell, Quaritch isn't trying to occupy the area around the Tree of Souls. He only wants to destroy it.

Sempu 01-04-2012 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Raptor (Post 166377)
But as far as I can tell, Quaritch isn't trying to occupy the area around the Tree of Souls. He only wants to destroy it.

He's still likely to be driven by military thinking that all air campaigns are backed by ground invasions. It's also a way of further demoralizing his enemy; after all, a single bomb, albeit a large one, is going to leave lots of them alive.

More interesting perhaps is - which territory is the ground force covering? They're not there after the bombing, they're there at the same time. So they're not in the blast zone. Is their purpose to drive the Na'vi back into the bombing area?

Human No More 01-04-2012 07:39 PM

Possibly, although the reason they weren't there then is because they were all dead/running away by that point.

neytirifanboy 01-05-2012 10:15 PM

Yes the ground attack wasn't explained well. But it does make sense.

I think Quaritch wanted to demonstrate that the RDA was militarily superior to the Na'vi both in the air and on the ground to convince the Na'vi that any attack on the RDA would be foolish.

He wanted to show the Na'vi that the RDA could defeat them in their own territory. In the end he was justified in this thinking because the RDA pasted the Na'vi on the ground even more thoroughly than in the air. The Na'vi fared better in the air but still lost.

The campaign was not about taking and holding territory at all. It was about forcing a decisive battle to destroy the Na'vi will and ability to fight. And he almost succeeded.

But apart from that I think the reasons mentioned above are good reasons: 1) Quaritch wanted to play with all his toys; and,
2) Destroying the tree of souls would not have destroyed the massive concetration of Na'vi ground troops.

If Quaritch had succeeded in blowing up the Tree of Souls, but had left many of the fighting Na'vi on the ground untouched, they may have reacted in anger rather than fear at the destruction of the Tree of souls.

This could have lead to a ground attack on RDA held territory in a way that Quaritch may not be able to control or predict. Since the Na'vi had not yet been defeated on the ground they may still have had the confidence to attack the RDA and other assets after the bombing when Quaritch would have less control over the location and nature of the fighting.

The Na'vi could have attacked RDA assets immediately. This may have cause a lot of damage even if the Na'vi were not successful in over-running the compound. Even if the RDA was victorious, it may have caused substantial loss to personel and equipment which is difficult for the RDA to replace quickly.

The worst scenario would be that the Na'vi forces disperse temporarily and then return in greater numbers to attack Hells Gate at a later time, perhaps using guerilla tactics in a protracted campaign. This would end up in a war of attrition which the RDA would almost certainly lose, even with their technological superiority.

So Quaritch would surely prefer to have his decisive battle away from RDA installations so that no collateral damage would occur to RDA equipment. If he waited, the next battle may well be in RDA held territory and could be costly, even if the RDA win.

On that basis, a decisive defeat on the Na'vi ground forces early on when they are still gathering and may not be ready to fight, makes sense.

It must be remebered that Quaritch almost achieved his decisive victory, except fo unforseen events.

Of course none of this is explained in the movie, except by indirect and tacit inference, so everything I said can easily be refuted.

Also, we can't be sure that the Na'vi would have definately buckled as a whole if the Tree of sould was destroyed. The Omaticaya Clan would probably fall, but other way have continued the fight.

Moco Loco 01-05-2012 10:32 PM

Nice analysis neytirifanboy! As others have said, if he could do it, why not?

Sempu 01-08-2012 02:00 AM

I agree, well reasoned neytirifanboy!

FoxRunning 01-10-2012 01:34 AM

i think he wanted to kill off the whole Hometree clan.

neytirifanboy 01-11-2012 08:36 PM

Yes, I think that you are right.

If he kills the local clan off, the others may not have the same motivation to fight, leaving the whole area to the RDA.

However, I think the ground attack was supposed to convince the other Na'vi that it is not worth fighting the RDA, especially to defend another clan's territory.

Porthos1 02-21-2013 01:48 AM

Quaritch’s ground assault may have been a way to draw out the Na'vi from the forest so that they could be identified and destroyed, thus reducing the military threat after the battle. Remember, Shock and Awe and the inability to actually "see" the Navi. This could be the reason if he was not banking totally on the results he pitched to the RDA staff prior to launch. There were 2000+ Na’vi hidden in the hills and more on the way; blunting the Na’vi capability by overwhelming firepower would also send a message. This was a form of tactics used in Indochina; set some bait and see what comes out of the holes, then squash it. This is what I think Quaritch had in mind.

Crickett 02-21-2013 08:37 AM

I always figured it was sort of "Plan B" in case the whole bombing from the air didn't work. Based on how the battle was going, it seemed like the ground attack was far more successful until Eywa turned against them.

But thinking about it now, I think it was to deal with the assembled force they were so worried would overrun Hell's Gate.

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