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Old 01-13-2012, 12:44 AM
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Is Norm's Avatar is considered live when he's not in it, and it's just laying in the cot? I mean I don't know for sure, but does the Avatar function when the link isn't connected, like does the heart beat?

But. I would think that even if his Avatar bled out that they could heal it in the tank, or some other form given what they have. Just speculation though. The extent of medical technology they have isn't shown in the movie so much.
Yeah, it's similar to a coma when unlinked. There are basic autonomic processes, such as minimal heartbeat, breathing, and respiration, but no higher neural activity.

In some of the fluff, it mentions those tanks being used on Earth for people who can afford it where they can perform unprecedented restoration of injury etc.
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:00 AM
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Well then Norm's Avatar could have been retrieved by his fellow Cavalrymen, and returned to the proper people, and actually be in a tank while we are watching Norm outside machine gun in hand with a pack on while the RDA vermin are loaded into the shuttles.
THAT would be cool. Too bad that Max is destined to never get his own Avatar.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:27 AM
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The tank isn't a resurrection machine, so if he's dead, he's dead.
But was the avatar ever really "alive"?

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Old 01-13-2012, 07:16 AM
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But was the avatar ever really "alive"?

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That depends entirely if your definition of alive includes higher brain functions. If it doesn't, I would say they were most certainly alive. Otherwise I doubt they would be able to even twitch as they did early in the film.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:34 PM
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I guess this would depend on how soon the avatar was returned to the tank. If too much time passed or if the body was trampled by something (which could've easily happened), pretty safe to say it's useless.
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Old 01-14-2012, 12:26 AM
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I'm not quite prepared to call deleted scenes canon, myself... the other one with Tsu'tey, for example, appears not to have happened in the new scene for the CE, and then we get to the one at the end of the film, which has huge repercussions for Avatar 2 if true.
I take your point, although it was just an opinion of mine that JC didn't reshoot Norm's reaction on exiting the link chamber to suit the shoulder injury.
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Given that the (out-takes) suggested that cloning was being ussed successfully on Irrta, it would not surprise me to find avatar enbryos stored in cryo. Spares if you will. But also given the LINK technology, we could assume that medically, the sawtute are far advanced. It might also be surmised that key figures could be cloned for future use or (shudders) spare parts.
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(Why would one be so inefficient as to clone the whole body, when only specific parts are required?)
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I always thought that the reason why Norm's link failed in that battle was because the shock of the shoulder injury did something to his concentration/ the required functioning of the brain and the link wasn't able to be sustained with his Avatar. I can't really explain it fully, but it seems to be similar to how Jake breathed in the Pandoran air while he was in his link and then his connection with his Avatar body was interrupted. Causing him to be back in his human body.
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(Why would one be so inefficient as to clone the whole body, when only specific parts are required?)
Exactly.
The main purpose of the tanks when used for humans would be to allow growth of what is actually needed, whether in place or separately for transplant.

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I always thought that the reason why Norm's link failed in that battle was because the shock of the shoulder injury did something to his concentration/ the required functioning of the brain and the link wasn't able to be sustained with his Avatar. I can't really explain it fully, but it seems to be similar to how Jake breathed in the Pandoran air while he was in his link and then his connection with his Avatar body was interrupted. Causing him to be back in his human body.
I tend to agree, this seems the most plausible explanation, pain would certainly do it, as would loss of consciousness.
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:58 AM
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Just one little thing...am I the only one who sort of hoped the Avatars where impotent? I know that's a bit of a downer but it...it gives the entire decision to switch into your Avatar a bit of gravitas.


Anyway on the entire "dead not dead" chest shot thing.

Who says the Na'Vi/Avatar have their hearts in the same place we have ours? Maybe their heart is off to the side.

Also my rule for movies/anything, unless a character is explicitly said to be dead/the killing wound is shown they are not dead.
So Norm's Avatar could still be alive.

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Old 02-01-2012, 05:16 AM
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I'd be fairly confident you are the only one hoping that
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