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madman 05-21-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 41140)
Yes, @Spock. And this is also, why the thoughts regarding this situation deal with the financial costs so much. People worry about "who is going to pay for it", as if payment of little green pieces of paper or changing bits and bytes in a computer really are able to do anything. Even the efforts of the people who help, often voluntarily without getting money, is only of limited use as much of the disastrous results cannot be amended with work or money.

Yesterday I heard on German public Television of some really nutty sounding plans for the situation that are now considered. It tells me that they are really desperate and lets me even doubt that the proposed long term solution they planned for the next two months (by drilling a second hole) will work at all. I mean, if they plan to drop "tires and golf balls" into the well as a measurement and even consider the "russian method" of exploding a nuclear bomb underwater - this tells you what the situation is, yes?

This entire situation is sooo scary for me. I really don't think they have a clue when they will be able to stop the leak. I'm sure they are confident that they will find a solution.... The problem is when? Things are looking soo very bad for the wild life and economy in the near bye areas... This is sooo bad.. *cry* :'(:'(:'(

auroraglacialis 05-21-2010 07:15 AM

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The more catastrophic effect will be the impact on oxygen in the water. The oil has started to leech the water of its oxygen, and, as quoted in the AP story, has reduced oxygen in the water by 30%. Samantha Joye, a professor at the University of Georgia, stated that the dispersants may be speeding up the process by which microbes process oxygen.” [...] In addition, some trajectory models place some of the oil in the loop current, which would take oil from the Gulf to the Florida Keys and even possibly up the East Coast.
... and BP oil spill likely picked up by Gulf currents

I always worried more about that oxygen problem (and the resulting hydrogen sulfide increrase) than about the sea birds, since this affects much more species and possibly the entire life in the gulf.

Spock 05-21-2010 09:00 AM

The lasting consequences may indeed be more encompassing than first thought.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-21-2010 04:37 PM

Of course it would Spock... When one thing goes down, the entire thing is dragged down with it. When one thing helps itself, everything benefits. So by following this logic, it really makes sense and applies to the situation at hand... It's just a shame because it will eventually influence everybody and everything on Earth involved. We should take this as a message to help ourselves and society the best as possible. Even little things help...

madman 05-21-2010 08:58 PM

ugh... more bad news that doesn't really surprise me...

Gulf oil spill effects to reach Arctic and Europe, expert says - CNN.com

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Gulf oil spill effects to reach Arctic and Europe, expert says
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 21, 2010 2:01 p.m. EDT


Is enough being done to protect the public from chemical pollutants? Watch "Toxic America," a special two-night investigative report with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, on June 2 and 3 at 8 p.m. ET on CNN.

Washington (CNN) -- The damaging effects of the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will be felt all the way to Europe and the Arctic, a top scientist told a congressional panel Friday.

"This is not just a regional issue for the wildlife," said Carl Safina, the president of the Blue Ocean Institute. Safina, who recently returned from the Gulf Coast region, presented several photographs, including one of an oil-covered bird.

"There will be a nest empty in Newfoundland," Safina said, noting common migratory patterns. Safina warned that multiple forms of marine life in the Atlantic Ocean "come into the Gulf to breed."

Safina's briefing to representatives of the House Energy and Commerce Committee was scheduled as part of an ongoing effort to draw on a broad range of expertise for cleanup efforts.

"We have to use science to find solutions," said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Massachusetts. Markey has been strongly critical of the current cleanup effort, calling it ineffective.

Meanwhile, another congressman, concerned about people who are working to clean up the spill, has asked the White House to set up temporary health care centers along the Gulf Coast to serve volunteers and workers.

Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Louisiana, envisions such clinics as providing "medical checkups to people who have come in contact with the oil and assist in monitoring the health effects of the oil leak on south Louisianians."

He sent the request Wednesday to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. There was no immediate response from the agency.

"Many residents and volunteers are being exposed to hazardous materials on a daily basis, and some will have to travel hours to get treatment at the nearest health care facility. It is imperative that temporary health care clinics be established to provide basic health care services in this geographic area," he said.

He has also asked Sebelius to "appoint a health care coordinator to oversee and streamline the health care response."

Melancon emphasized that BP should be responsible for such health care services in his state. The energy giant was operating the oil rig that exploded and sank in April, triggering the spill.

A BP official says a gusher of oil pouring from its damaged well could be shut off as early as next week.

BP Managing Director Bob Dudley said Thursday night the company will pump fluids into the well this weekend in the beginning of a process that -- if successful -- could lead to the leak finally being closed off in a matter of days.

"If that option doesn't work, we've got a second and a third option we'll do after that," Dudley said on CNN's "Larry King Live" on Thursday. "We're hopeful that next week, we'll be able to shut it off."

Earlier in the day, BP acknowledged that the underwater gusher is bigger than estimated to date, as new video showed a cloud of crude billowing around its undersea siphon.

Company spokesman Mark Proegler said Thursday that the siphon is now drawing about 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) per day up to a ship on the surface of the Gulf -- as much as government and company officials had estimated the spill was pouring into the Gulf every day for a month. Proegler declined to estimate how much more oil was escaping.

BP America Chairman Lamar McKay said Wednesday that the figure used by the oil spill response team had a degree of "uncertainty" built into it. But figures by independent researchers have run up to many times higher: Steve Wereley, a professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University, told CNN's "American Morning" that the spill could be as big as 20,000 to 100,000 barrels a day.

And members of Congress released video from the company that showed much more oil pouring out of the damaged well than the siphon was capturing. Rep. Ed Markey, who leads a House subcommittee investigating the disaster, told reporters, "I think now we are beginning to understand that we cannot trust BP."

"People do not trust the experts any longer," said Markey, D-Massachusetts. "BP has lost all credibility. Now, the decisions will have to be made by others, because it is clear that they have been hiding the actual consequences of this spill."

Meanwhile, the Coast Guard announced the creation of a federal Flow Rate Technical Group to assess the flow rate from the well. Coast Guard Capt. Ron LaBrec said that Adm. Thad Allen would oversee the team, which will include members from the Coast Guard, the Minerals Management Service, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Department of Energy, the U.S. Geological Society and others from the science community and academia.

The peer-reviewed team, which has already begun its work, is to determine the flow rate from the beginning of the incident to the present, LaBrec said.

The Obama administration announced Thursday that it has ordered BP to release all data related to the massive spill, including environmental sampling analyses, internal investigation reports and details of the cleanup effort. In a letter to BP Group CEO Tony Hayward, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson told BP to post that information on a website and update it daily.

"The public and the United States government are entitled to nothing less than complete transparency in this matter," they concluded.

The spill began with an April 20 explosion and fire that sank the drill rig Deepwater Horizon two days later. Eleven workers were lost with the rig, which was owned by drilling contractor Transocean and hired by BP.

The resulting slick now threatens the coastal marshes of southeastern Louisiana, where brown, syrupy oil made it past protective booms and into the wetlands near the mouth of the Mississippi River on Wednesday.

Over the weekend, BP inserted a piece of pipe into the larger of the two leak points and began drawing oil from the undersea gusher, located about a mile underwater, up to a ship on the surface. It also has been laying booms out along barrier islands and spraying hundreds of thousands of gallons of chemical dispersants on the surface and near the sources of the leak.

But that element of the response came under new fire as well on Thursday, as the EPA ordered BP to find a less toxic chemical to use to break up the oil.

The EPA gave the company a day to pick a new substance and three days to start using it instead of the current dispersant, known as Corexit 9500. The chemical has been rated more toxic and less effective than many others on the list of 18 EPA-approved dispersants, according to testimony at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

"Because of its use in unprecedented volumes and because much is unknown about the underwater use of dispersants, EPA wants to ensure BP is using the least toxic product authorized for use," the agency said in a statement announcing the order. "We reserve the right to discontinue the use of this dispersant method if any negative impacts on the environment outweigh the benefits."

Corexit 9500 includes petroleum distillates, propylene glycol and a proprietary organic sulfonic salt, and prolonged contact with it can cause eye or skin irritation, according to the manufacturer's material data safety sheet. The document warns that "repeated or prolonged exposure may irritate the respiratory tract."

But BP says Corexit is biodegradable, has been approved by the EPA and the Coast Guard and is "readily available in the quantities required" by a response plan approved by the government before the spill.

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"It has been very effective in causing the oil to form into small, isolated droplets that remain suspended until they're either eaten by naturally occurring microbes, evaporate, are picked up or dissolve," the company said. But it added, "At the same time, we are conducting ongoing assessment of alternative or supplemental dispersant products."

Meanwhile, BP is readying a new attempt to plug the leak for Sunday by injecting a large amount of heavy "mud" -- a fluid used as a lubricant and counterweight in drilling operations -- into the well bore. If that succeeds, the well will be cemented shut, officials have said.

"Everything is being done to make sure that happens," Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department oversees offshore oil drilling, told CNN's "American Morning" Thursday. "We have the best scientists in the world who are overseeing what is going on. So, we are hopeful that it will happen soon."

Salazar said BP, which leased the rig from Transocean, has tried many techniques to stop the leaking and the government will do all in its power to hold them accountable.

"They're putting a lot of hope on that Sunday," he said. "We'll see if it happens."

Salazar announced Wednesday that he was dividing the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, which regulates oil exploration, into three divisions. The agency has come under fire since long before the spill, and Salzar said it would be reorganized to separate what he called the conflicting duties of regulating oil companies and collecting royalties from them.

"We inherited here what was a legacy of an agency that essentially was rubber-stamping whatever it was that the oil and gas industry wanted," Salazar said. "We have been on a reform agenda from Day One."

Spock 05-22-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Txantsulsam Fyawintxu (Post 41592)
Of course it would Spock... When one thing goes down, the entire thing is dragged down with it. When one thing helps itself, everything benefits. So by following this logic, it really makes sense and applies to the situation at hand... It's just a shame because it will eventually influence everybody and everything on Earth involved. We should take this as a message to help ourselves and society the best as possible. Even little things help...

Well I'm against hydrocarbon mining altogethor so you know where I stand.

madman 05-23-2010 02:21 AM

oh nos....

FOXNews.com - Burning, flooding among uneasy choices for clearing oil out of pristine wetlands

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Burning, flooding among uneasy choices for clearing oil out of pristine wetlands
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The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scien...

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May 22: Oil booms sit in a marsh after being impacted by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in Pass a Loutre, La.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scientists said.

Officials are considering some drastic and risky solutions: They could set the wetlands on fire or flood areas in hopes of floating out the oil.

They warn an aggressive cleanup could ruin the marshes and do more harm than good. The only viable option for many impacted areas is to do nothing and let nature break down the spill.

More than 50 miles of Louisiana's delicate shoreline already have been soiled by the massive slick unleashed after the Deepwater Horizon rig burned and sank last month. Officials fear oil eventually could invade wetlands and beaches from Texas to Florida. Louisiana is expected to be hit hardest.

On Saturday, a major pelican rookery was awash in oil off Louisiana's coast. Hundreds of birds nest on the island, and an Associated Press photographer saw some birds and their eggs stained with the ooze. Nests were perched in mangroves directly above patches of crude.


Plaquemines Parish workers put booms around the island, but puddles of oil were inside the barrier.

"Oil in the marshes is the worst-case scenario," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the head of the federal effort to contain and clean up the spill.

Also Saturday, BP told federal regulators it plans to continue using a contentious chemical dispersant, despite orders from the Environmental Protection Agency to look for less toxic alternatives. BP said in a letter to the EPA that Corexit 9500 "remains the best option for subsea application."

The EPA didn't immediately comment on BP's decision.

Oil that has rolled into shoreline wetlands coats the stalks and leaves of plants such as roseau cane — the fabric that holds together an ecosystem that is essential to the region's fishing industry and a much-needed buffer against Gulf hurricanes. Soon, oil will smother those plants and choke off their supply of air and nutrients.

In some eddies and protected inlets, the ochre-colored crude has pooled beneath the water's surface, forming clumps several inches deep.

With the seafloor leak still gushing at least hundreds of thousands of gallons a day, the damage is only getting worse. Millions of gallons already have leaked so far.

Coast Guard officials said the spill's impact now stretches across a 150-mile swath, from Dauphin Island, Ala. to Grand Isle, La.

Over time, experts say weather and natural microbes will break down most of the oil. However, the crude will surely poison plants and wildlife in the months — even years — it will take for the syrupy muck to dissipate.

Back in 1989, crews fighting the Exxon Valdez tanker spill — which unleashed almost 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska's Prince William Sound — used pressure hoses and rakes to clean the shores. The Gulf Coast is just too fragile for that: those tactics could blast apart the peat-like soils that hold the marshes together.

Hundreds of miles of bayous and man-made canals crisscross the coast's exterior, offering numerous entry points for the crude. Access is difficult and time-intensive, even in the best of circumstances.

"Just the compaction of humanity bringing equipment in, walking on them, will kill them," said David White, a wetlands ecologist from Loyola University in New Orleans.

Marshes offer a vital line of defense against Gulf storms, blunting their fury before they hit populated areas. Louisiana and the federal government have spent hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding barriers that were wiped out by hurricanes, notably Katrina in 2005.

They also act as nursery grounds for shrimp, crabs, oysters — the backbone of the region's fishing industry. Hundreds of thousands of migratory birds nest in the wetlands' inner reaches, a complex network of bayous, bays and man-made canals.

To keep oil from pushing deep into Louisiana's marshes, Gov. Bobby Jindal and officials from several coastal parishes want permission to erect a $350 million network of sand berms linking the state's barrier islands and headlands.

That plan is awaiting approval from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

After surveying oil-stricken areas Saturday, Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said the berms were the marshes' last hope.

"It's getting in between all the cane and it's working through from one bayou to the next," he said.

Smaller spills have been occurring in the marshes for decades. In the past, cleanup crews would sometimes slice out oiled vegetation and take it to a landfill, said Andy Nyman with Louisiana State University.

But with the plants gone, water from the gulf would roll in and wash away the roots, turning wetlands to open water.

Adm. Allen said that where conditions are right, crews could set fire to oil-coated plants.

Nyman and other experts, though, warn it's tricky. If the marsh is too wet, the oil won't burn. Too dry, the roots burn and the marsh can be ruined.

BP PLC — which leased the sunken rig and is responsible for the cleanup — said Saturday that cleanup crews have started more direct cleanup methods along Pass a Loutre in Plaquemines Parish. Shallow water skimmers were attempting to remove the oil from the top of the marsh.

Streams of water could later be used in a bid to wash oil from between cane stalks.

In other cases, the company will rely on "bioremediation" — letting oil-eating microbes do the work.

"Nature has a way of helping the situation," said BP spokesman John Curry.

But Nyman said the dispersants could slow the microbes from breaking down the oil.

White, the Loyola scientist, predicted at least short-term ruin for some of the wetlands he's been studying for three decades. Under a worst-case scenario, he said the damage could exceed the 217 square miles of wetlands lost during the 2005 hurricane season.

"When I say that my stomach turns," he said.

I'm feeling sick to my stomach...

auroraglacialis 05-26-2010 10:08 AM

I am always baffled at what little knowledge the VIPs in big companies have. They are only focussed on numbers and money and not on the products or actions concerning their companies. How can they make educated decisions!?
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Originally Posted by Nature Magazine
On 16 May, at a daily press briefing, officials from energy company BP, which operates the well, skipped over an initial request for comment on the plume. In response to a second question, BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said: "We have no confirmation of that, but my observation as a layman is that oil is lighter than water and it tends to go up."

from Oil cruise finds deep-sea plume : Nature News
Also in this article: Proof of a great underwater oil plume, depriving the deeper parts of the gulf of life and oxygen maybe for years to come.

auroraglacialis 05-28-2010 11:24 AM

Now that the current attempt seems to have failed again *sigh*, some news reporters seems to have a deja-vu as in the 1970ies the very same thing as now has happened in the gulf of mexico: oil platform blowout, failed blowout preventer, spraying of dispersals, putting a cone on the blowout well, pumping cement in the well - nothing worked. Sounds scaringly similar to what is going on right now. Even the company owning the rig is the same. Seems 30 years of "development" did not change or improve the failed methods from 1979.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same

Conclusion from the 1979 disaster: In the end, only the relief well worked, and that took months to complete.

Oh but transoceanic, the owner of the rig learned at least something from the 1979 disaster: To invest in a good insurance. Now they are making millions of profit because the rig blew: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37740.html This is so sick!

madman 05-28-2010 04:15 PM

I really hope with all heart that this event will help humans REALLY change and put much more effort into alternate CLEANER fuels. There are so many amazing things that we can do with technology, why can't we solve our energy crisis?

Fosus 05-28-2010 04:22 PM

*Sigh* And all this could have been prevented... the whole oil business is just crazy

auroraglacialis 05-28-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45762)
I really hope with all heart that this event will help humans REALLY change and put much more effort into alternate CLEANER fuels. There are so many amazing things that we can do with technology, why can't we solve our energy crisis?

sarcasm on - Yeah sure. Just as it did with the 1979 disaster I posted and with the Valdez - sarcasm off

:S :'(

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madman 05-28-2010 10:05 PM

Catastrophic Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico....
 
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

Fosus 05-29-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45913)
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

You're not alone with those thoughts.. :(

rapunzel77 05-29-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45913)
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

I completely agree. I am angry that this happened and that it continues to happen and there isn't being enough done to stop it :(. It is horrific and it makes the Exxon-Valdez oil spill which was also a terrible ecological disaster a small leak by comparison.


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