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Human No More 05-17-2010 01:13 AM

This is something at least.
BBC News - BP says latest scheme to halt US oil leak working well

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The oil company BP says it has successfully started to siphon oil from its leaking Gulf of Mexico well to a tanker on the surface.
BP executive Kent Wells would not say how much oil was being siphoned but said the process was "working well".
BP succeeded on its third attempt to insert a long narrow tube into the leaking pipe, using underwater robots.
Now I just hope they manage to deal with all the oil that already leaked... :'(

auroraglacialis 05-18-2010 10:20 AM

I heard they managed to get something like 10% of the daily spill into a tanker. I sure hope they can manage better than that!

Meanwhile I worry more on the notion that it was said that most of the oil will not wash ashore, but be dispersed in small droplets in the water or sink to the ocean floor. This worries me with my educational background for two reasons. The first is the incredible consumption of oxygen. This happens in the Baltic sea also due to fertilizers. If it goes bad, oxygen in the water will go, marine life dies from that, the decay of the oil (euphemistically describes as biodegradation) and dead fauna at the ocean floor consumes the last bit of oxygen there. Hydrogen Sulfide is produced in these conditions. Already the concentrations of Hydrogen Sulfide are 100 times the limit. (Ironically Hydrogen suflide was one of the reasons humans cannot survive on Pandora BTW). The second reason is the upcoming hurricane season. If one of them hits, it will definitely spread the surface oil onto land and if the Hydrogen Suflide buildup in the Ocean gets high and a storm produces a turnover, it may be released and people at the coast may suffer from poisoning. This happens naturally in areas of Namibia after algal blooms, but this situation is man made and possibly much worse. I hope they do monitor this and give people a warning if it really builds up...

Greetings
Aurora

Edit: http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...rface/19477682

madman 05-20-2010 12:36 AM

Oil has reached Louisiana Wetlands....

BP touts containment efforts; heavy oil reaches Louisiana wetlands - CNN.com

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/US/...na.oil.cnn.jpg

SOOOO very sad.. can't imagine how many animals and plantlife are going to die....

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-20-2010 07:54 AM

You know what's freakishly insane? They're actually concerned about the costs and the payment of the
mess instead of simply going there to fix it with everyone working together to help the environment for free.

Now that's insanity... :(

auroraglacialis 05-21-2010 06:46 AM

Yes, @Spock. And this is also, why the thoughts regarding this situation deal with the financial costs so much. People worry about "who is going to pay for it", as if payment of little green pieces of paper or changing bits and bytes in a computer really are able to do anything. Even the efforts of the people who help, often voluntarily without getting money, is only of limited use as much of the disastrous results cannot be amended with work or money.

Yesterday I heard on German public Television of some really nutty sounding plans for the situation that are now considered. It tells me that they are really desperate and lets me even doubt that the proposed long term solution they planned for the next two months (by drilling a second hole) will work at all. I mean, if they plan to drop "tires and golf balls" into the well as a measurement and even consider the "russian method" of exploding a nuclear bomb underwater - this tells you what the situation is, yes?

madman 05-21-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 41140)
Yes, @Spock. And this is also, why the thoughts regarding this situation deal with the financial costs so much. People worry about "who is going to pay for it", as if payment of little green pieces of paper or changing bits and bytes in a computer really are able to do anything. Even the efforts of the people who help, often voluntarily without getting money, is only of limited use as much of the disastrous results cannot be amended with work or money.

Yesterday I heard on German public Television of some really nutty sounding plans for the situation that are now considered. It tells me that they are really desperate and lets me even doubt that the proposed long term solution they planned for the next two months (by drilling a second hole) will work at all. I mean, if they plan to drop "tires and golf balls" into the well as a measurement and even consider the "russian method" of exploding a nuclear bomb underwater - this tells you what the situation is, yes?

This entire situation is sooo scary for me. I really don't think they have a clue when they will be able to stop the leak. I'm sure they are confident that they will find a solution.... The problem is when? Things are looking soo very bad for the wild life and economy in the near bye areas... This is sooo bad.. *cry* :'(:'(:'(

auroraglacialis 05-21-2010 07:15 AM

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The more catastrophic effect will be the impact on oxygen in the water. The oil has started to leech the water of its oxygen, and, as quoted in the AP story, has reduced oxygen in the water by 30%. Samantha Joye, a professor at the University of Georgia, stated that the dispersants may be speeding up the process by which microbes process oxygen.” [...] In addition, some trajectory models place some of the oil in the loop current, which would take oil from the Gulf to the Florida Keys and even possibly up the East Coast.
... and BP oil spill likely picked up by Gulf currents

I always worried more about that oxygen problem (and the resulting hydrogen sulfide increrase) than about the sea birds, since this affects much more species and possibly the entire life in the gulf.

Spock 05-21-2010 09:00 AM

The lasting consequences may indeed be more encompassing than first thought.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-21-2010 04:37 PM

Of course it would Spock... When one thing goes down, the entire thing is dragged down with it. When one thing helps itself, everything benefits. So by following this logic, it really makes sense and applies to the situation at hand... It's just a shame because it will eventually influence everybody and everything on Earth involved. We should take this as a message to help ourselves and society the best as possible. Even little things help...

madman 05-21-2010 08:58 PM

ugh... more bad news that doesn't really surprise me...

Gulf oil spill effects to reach Arctic and Europe, expert says - CNN.com

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Gulf oil spill effects to reach Arctic and Europe, expert says
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 21, 2010 2:01 p.m. EDT


Is enough being done to protect the public from chemical pollutants? Watch "Toxic America," a special two-night investigative report with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, on June 2 and 3 at 8 p.m. ET on CNN.

Washington (CNN) -- The damaging effects of the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will be felt all the way to Europe and the Arctic, a top scientist told a congressional panel Friday.

"This is not just a regional issue for the wildlife," said Carl Safina, the president of the Blue Ocean Institute. Safina, who recently returned from the Gulf Coast region, presented several photographs, including one of an oil-covered bird.

"There will be a nest empty in Newfoundland," Safina said, noting common migratory patterns. Safina warned that multiple forms of marine life in the Atlantic Ocean "come into the Gulf to breed."

Safina's briefing to representatives of the House Energy and Commerce Committee was scheduled as part of an ongoing effort to draw on a broad range of expertise for cleanup efforts.

"We have to use science to find solutions," said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Massachusetts. Markey has been strongly critical of the current cleanup effort, calling it ineffective.

Meanwhile, another congressman, concerned about people who are working to clean up the spill, has asked the White House to set up temporary health care centers along the Gulf Coast to serve volunteers and workers.

Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Louisiana, envisions such clinics as providing "medical checkups to people who have come in contact with the oil and assist in monitoring the health effects of the oil leak on south Louisianians."

He sent the request Wednesday to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. There was no immediate response from the agency.

"Many residents and volunteers are being exposed to hazardous materials on a daily basis, and some will have to travel hours to get treatment at the nearest health care facility. It is imperative that temporary health care clinics be established to provide basic health care services in this geographic area," he said.

He has also asked Sebelius to "appoint a health care coordinator to oversee and streamline the health care response."

Melancon emphasized that BP should be responsible for such health care services in his state. The energy giant was operating the oil rig that exploded and sank in April, triggering the spill.

A BP official says a gusher of oil pouring from its damaged well could be shut off as early as next week.

BP Managing Director Bob Dudley said Thursday night the company will pump fluids into the well this weekend in the beginning of a process that -- if successful -- could lead to the leak finally being closed off in a matter of days.

"If that option doesn't work, we've got a second and a third option we'll do after that," Dudley said on CNN's "Larry King Live" on Thursday. "We're hopeful that next week, we'll be able to shut it off."

Earlier in the day, BP acknowledged that the underwater gusher is bigger than estimated to date, as new video showed a cloud of crude billowing around its undersea siphon.

Company spokesman Mark Proegler said Thursday that the siphon is now drawing about 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) per day up to a ship on the surface of the Gulf -- as much as government and company officials had estimated the spill was pouring into the Gulf every day for a month. Proegler declined to estimate how much more oil was escaping.

BP America Chairman Lamar McKay said Wednesday that the figure used by the oil spill response team had a degree of "uncertainty" built into it. But figures by independent researchers have run up to many times higher: Steve Wereley, a professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University, told CNN's "American Morning" that the spill could be as big as 20,000 to 100,000 barrels a day.

And members of Congress released video from the company that showed much more oil pouring out of the damaged well than the siphon was capturing. Rep. Ed Markey, who leads a House subcommittee investigating the disaster, told reporters, "I think now we are beginning to understand that we cannot trust BP."

"People do not trust the experts any longer," said Markey, D-Massachusetts. "BP has lost all credibility. Now, the decisions will have to be made by others, because it is clear that they have been hiding the actual consequences of this spill."

Meanwhile, the Coast Guard announced the creation of a federal Flow Rate Technical Group to assess the flow rate from the well. Coast Guard Capt. Ron LaBrec said that Adm. Thad Allen would oversee the team, which will include members from the Coast Guard, the Minerals Management Service, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Department of Energy, the U.S. Geological Society and others from the science community and academia.

The peer-reviewed team, which has already begun its work, is to determine the flow rate from the beginning of the incident to the present, LaBrec said.

The Obama administration announced Thursday that it has ordered BP to release all data related to the massive spill, including environmental sampling analyses, internal investigation reports and details of the cleanup effort. In a letter to BP Group CEO Tony Hayward, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson told BP to post that information on a website and update it daily.

"The public and the United States government are entitled to nothing less than complete transparency in this matter," they concluded.

The spill began with an April 20 explosion and fire that sank the drill rig Deepwater Horizon two days later. Eleven workers were lost with the rig, which was owned by drilling contractor Transocean and hired by BP.

The resulting slick now threatens the coastal marshes of southeastern Louisiana, where brown, syrupy oil made it past protective booms and into the wetlands near the mouth of the Mississippi River on Wednesday.

Over the weekend, BP inserted a piece of pipe into the larger of the two leak points and began drawing oil from the undersea gusher, located about a mile underwater, up to a ship on the surface. It also has been laying booms out along barrier islands and spraying hundreds of thousands of gallons of chemical dispersants on the surface and near the sources of the leak.

But that element of the response came under new fire as well on Thursday, as the EPA ordered BP to find a less toxic chemical to use to break up the oil.

The EPA gave the company a day to pick a new substance and three days to start using it instead of the current dispersant, known as Corexit 9500. The chemical has been rated more toxic and less effective than many others on the list of 18 EPA-approved dispersants, according to testimony at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

"Because of its use in unprecedented volumes and because much is unknown about the underwater use of dispersants, EPA wants to ensure BP is using the least toxic product authorized for use," the agency said in a statement announcing the order. "We reserve the right to discontinue the use of this dispersant method if any negative impacts on the environment outweigh the benefits."

Corexit 9500 includes petroleum distillates, propylene glycol and a proprietary organic sulfonic salt, and prolonged contact with it can cause eye or skin irritation, according to the manufacturer's material data safety sheet. The document warns that "repeated or prolonged exposure may irritate the respiratory tract."

But BP says Corexit is biodegradable, has been approved by the EPA and the Coast Guard and is "readily available in the quantities required" by a response plan approved by the government before the spill.

iReport: Track the spill, share stories

"It has been very effective in causing the oil to form into small, isolated droplets that remain suspended until they're either eaten by naturally occurring microbes, evaporate, are picked up or dissolve," the company said. But it added, "At the same time, we are conducting ongoing assessment of alternative or supplemental dispersant products."

Meanwhile, BP is readying a new attempt to plug the leak for Sunday by injecting a large amount of heavy "mud" -- a fluid used as a lubricant and counterweight in drilling operations -- into the well bore. If that succeeds, the well will be cemented shut, officials have said.

"Everything is being done to make sure that happens," Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department oversees offshore oil drilling, told CNN's "American Morning" Thursday. "We have the best scientists in the world who are overseeing what is going on. So, we are hopeful that it will happen soon."

Salazar said BP, which leased the rig from Transocean, has tried many techniques to stop the leaking and the government will do all in its power to hold them accountable.

"They're putting a lot of hope on that Sunday," he said. "We'll see if it happens."

Salazar announced Wednesday that he was dividing the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, which regulates oil exploration, into three divisions. The agency has come under fire since long before the spill, and Salzar said it would be reorganized to separate what he called the conflicting duties of regulating oil companies and collecting royalties from them.

"We inherited here what was a legacy of an agency that essentially was rubber-stamping whatever it was that the oil and gas industry wanted," Salazar said. "We have been on a reform agenda from Day One."

Spock 05-22-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Txantsulsam Fyawintxu (Post 41592)
Of course it would Spock... When one thing goes down, the entire thing is dragged down with it. When one thing helps itself, everything benefits. So by following this logic, it really makes sense and applies to the situation at hand... It's just a shame because it will eventually influence everybody and everything on Earth involved. We should take this as a message to help ourselves and society the best as possible. Even little things help...

Well I'm against hydrocarbon mining altogethor so you know where I stand.

madman 05-23-2010 02:21 AM

oh nos....

FOXNews.com - Burning, flooding among uneasy choices for clearing oil out of pristine wetlands

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Burning, flooding among uneasy choices for clearing oil out of pristine wetlands
Associated Press
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The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scien...

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May 22: Oil booms sit in a marsh after being impacted by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in Pass a Loutre, La.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scientists said.

Officials are considering some drastic and risky solutions: They could set the wetlands on fire or flood areas in hopes of floating out the oil.

They warn an aggressive cleanup could ruin the marshes and do more harm than good. The only viable option for many impacted areas is to do nothing and let nature break down the spill.

More than 50 miles of Louisiana's delicate shoreline already have been soiled by the massive slick unleashed after the Deepwater Horizon rig burned and sank last month. Officials fear oil eventually could invade wetlands and beaches from Texas to Florida. Louisiana is expected to be hit hardest.

On Saturday, a major pelican rookery was awash in oil off Louisiana's coast. Hundreds of birds nest on the island, and an Associated Press photographer saw some birds and their eggs stained with the ooze. Nests were perched in mangroves directly above patches of crude.


Plaquemines Parish workers put booms around the island, but puddles of oil were inside the barrier.

"Oil in the marshes is the worst-case scenario," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the head of the federal effort to contain and clean up the spill.

Also Saturday, BP told federal regulators it plans to continue using a contentious chemical dispersant, despite orders from the Environmental Protection Agency to look for less toxic alternatives. BP said in a letter to the EPA that Corexit 9500 "remains the best option for subsea application."

The EPA didn't immediately comment on BP's decision.

Oil that has rolled into shoreline wetlands coats the stalks and leaves of plants such as roseau cane — the fabric that holds together an ecosystem that is essential to the region's fishing industry and a much-needed buffer against Gulf hurricanes. Soon, oil will smother those plants and choke off their supply of air and nutrients.

In some eddies and protected inlets, the ochre-colored crude has pooled beneath the water's surface, forming clumps several inches deep.

With the seafloor leak still gushing at least hundreds of thousands of gallons a day, the damage is only getting worse. Millions of gallons already have leaked so far.

Coast Guard officials said the spill's impact now stretches across a 150-mile swath, from Dauphin Island, Ala. to Grand Isle, La.

Over time, experts say weather and natural microbes will break down most of the oil. However, the crude will surely poison plants and wildlife in the months — even years — it will take for the syrupy muck to dissipate.

Back in 1989, crews fighting the Exxon Valdez tanker spill — which unleashed almost 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska's Prince William Sound — used pressure hoses and rakes to clean the shores. The Gulf Coast is just too fragile for that: those tactics could blast apart the peat-like soils that hold the marshes together.

Hundreds of miles of bayous and man-made canals crisscross the coast's exterior, offering numerous entry points for the crude. Access is difficult and time-intensive, even in the best of circumstances.

"Just the compaction of humanity bringing equipment in, walking on them, will kill them," said David White, a wetlands ecologist from Loyola University in New Orleans.

Marshes offer a vital line of defense against Gulf storms, blunting their fury before they hit populated areas. Louisiana and the federal government have spent hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding barriers that were wiped out by hurricanes, notably Katrina in 2005.

They also act as nursery grounds for shrimp, crabs, oysters — the backbone of the region's fishing industry. Hundreds of thousands of migratory birds nest in the wetlands' inner reaches, a complex network of bayous, bays and man-made canals.

To keep oil from pushing deep into Louisiana's marshes, Gov. Bobby Jindal and officials from several coastal parishes want permission to erect a $350 million network of sand berms linking the state's barrier islands and headlands.

That plan is awaiting approval from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

After surveying oil-stricken areas Saturday, Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said the berms were the marshes' last hope.

"It's getting in between all the cane and it's working through from one bayou to the next," he said.

Smaller spills have been occurring in the marshes for decades. In the past, cleanup crews would sometimes slice out oiled vegetation and take it to a landfill, said Andy Nyman with Louisiana State University.

But with the plants gone, water from the gulf would roll in and wash away the roots, turning wetlands to open water.

Adm. Allen said that where conditions are right, crews could set fire to oil-coated plants.

Nyman and other experts, though, warn it's tricky. If the marsh is too wet, the oil won't burn. Too dry, the roots burn and the marsh can be ruined.

BP PLC — which leased the sunken rig and is responsible for the cleanup — said Saturday that cleanup crews have started more direct cleanup methods along Pass a Loutre in Plaquemines Parish. Shallow water skimmers were attempting to remove the oil from the top of the marsh.

Streams of water could later be used in a bid to wash oil from between cane stalks.

In other cases, the company will rely on "bioremediation" — letting oil-eating microbes do the work.

"Nature has a way of helping the situation," said BP spokesman John Curry.

But Nyman said the dispersants could slow the microbes from breaking down the oil.

White, the Loyola scientist, predicted at least short-term ruin for some of the wetlands he's been studying for three decades. Under a worst-case scenario, he said the damage could exceed the 217 square miles of wetlands lost during the 2005 hurricane season.

"When I say that my stomach turns," he said.

I'm feeling sick to my stomach...

auroraglacialis 05-26-2010 10:08 AM

I am always baffled at what little knowledge the VIPs in big companies have. They are only focussed on numbers and money and not on the products or actions concerning their companies. How can they make educated decisions!?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nature Magazine
On 16 May, at a daily press briefing, officials from energy company BP, which operates the well, skipped over an initial request for comment on the plume. In response to a second question, BP spokesman Andrew Gowers said: "We have no confirmation of that, but my observation as a layman is that oil is lighter than water and it tends to go up."

from Oil cruise finds deep-sea plume : Nature News
Also in this article: Proof of a great underwater oil plume, depriving the deeper parts of the gulf of life and oxygen maybe for years to come.

auroraglacialis 05-28-2010 11:24 AM

Now that the current attempt seems to have failed again *sigh*, some news reporters seems to have a deja-vu as in the 1970ies the very same thing as now has happened in the gulf of mexico: oil platform blowout, failed blowout preventer, spraying of dispersals, putting a cone on the blowout well, pumping cement in the well - nothing worked. Sounds scaringly similar to what is going on right now. Even the company owning the rig is the same. Seems 30 years of "development" did not change or improve the failed methods from 1979.

YouTube - Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same

Conclusion from the 1979 disaster: In the end, only the relief well worked, and that took months to complete.

Oh but transoceanic, the owner of the rig learned at least something from the 1979 disaster: To invest in a good insurance. Now they are making millions of profit because the rig blew: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37740.html This is so sick!

madman 05-28-2010 04:15 PM

I really hope with all heart that this event will help humans REALLY change and put much more effort into alternate CLEANER fuels. There are so many amazing things that we can do with technology, why can't we solve our energy crisis?

Fosus 05-28-2010 04:22 PM

*Sigh* And all this could have been prevented... the whole oil business is just crazy

auroraglacialis 05-28-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45762)
I really hope with all heart that this event will help humans REALLY change and put much more effort into alternate CLEANER fuels. There are so many amazing things that we can do with technology, why can't we solve our energy crisis?

sarcasm on - Yeah sure. Just as it did with the 1979 disaster I posted and with the Valdez - sarcasm off

:S :'(

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madman 05-28-2010 10:05 PM

Catastrophic Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico....
 
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

Fosus 05-29-2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45913)
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

You're not alone with those thoughts.. :(

rapunzel77 05-29-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by madman (Post 45913)
Im not ashamed to tell you all that this entire situation, from the deaths of the workers to the catastrophic damage that is being done to so many ecosystems, has made me shed tears on several occasions. I'm so fearful for what this has and is doing to the wildlife in the gulf and surrounding beeches and wetlands. This is just so hard to take. And when will it stop?

I completely agree. I am angry that this happened and that it continues to happen and there isn't being enough done to stop it :(. It is horrific and it makes the Exxon-Valdez oil spill which was also a terrible ecological disaster a small leak by comparison.

tm20 06-01-2010 08:24 AM

BP is going to try and pump the oil onto a ship, this is supposedly going to not solve the problem but do some good. HOWEVER:
-it will take 2 months from now to complete
-no guarantees that it will work

-_- i think this situation is up **** creek without a paddle

auroraglacialis 06-01-2010 11:11 AM

Great :( - In 2 months, the relief wells will probably also be finished and the problem hopefully solved, but 2 more months is not really acceptable. But I guess there is not really a choice other than to hope BP or the US will come up with a better solution.
I heard they are thinking again about the "Russian Plan" - to detonate a small nuke in the hole. At first I thought this is a bad idea, now I am not even sure of that anymore...

tm20 06-02-2010 03:49 AM

now officials are asking James Cameron if he has any ideas. James has been underwater to film documentaries so hopefully he can come up with an idea.

Federal officials meet with 'Titanic' director James Cameron on his ideas to stop Gulf spill - latimes.com

Human No More 06-02-2010 01:29 PM

hmm, you beat me to it...

kaliko 06-03-2010 03:59 AM

Everytime I hear about it, it's more bad news. Usually this sort of news is to my interest, but lately I admit I've been avoiding researching more about it. It's just blatant disaster and human thoughtlessness, no good is coming from this anytime soon.

Does anyone here live close to there, what are the effects like in person? I wonder...

Fkeu'itan 06-04-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kaliko (Post 49587)
Everytime I hear about it, it's more bad news. Usually this sort of news is to my interest, but lately I admit I've been avoiding researching more about it. It's just blatant disaster and human thoughtlessness, no good is coming from this anytime soon.

Does anyone here live close to there, what are the effects like in person? I wonder...

Same here, everything I hear about it is so horrific I think researching it further is just going to destroy me. I know I shouldn't put it to the back of my mind, but it's just horrible.

"Ignorance is bliss" as they say... :(

Hunter of the Glade 06-04-2010 01:59 AM

I watched a news report of this oil spill and it showed a ton a dead crabs and crustaceans all floating to the top of an estuary by the gulf coast. Makes you think how one mistake impacts not only how our country will prosper or not, but how it can destroy an outrageous amount of inhabiting wildlife. Truly unfortunate.

madman 06-04-2010 02:10 AM

Catastrophic Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico....
 
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Originally Posted by Hunter of the Glade
I watched a news report of this oil spill and it showed a ton a dead crabs and crustaceans all floating to the top of an estuary by the gulf coast. Makes you think how one mistake impacts not only how our country will prosper or not, but how it can destroy an outrageous amount of inhabiting wildlife. Truly unfortunate.

akdjbwhwhdbhaui. This makes me so angry and sad... I can barely stand it.

Human No More 06-04-2010 02:21 PM

Possibly some good news at last...
BBC News - BP lowers cap on to leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well
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Oil firm BP has lowered a cap on to a leaking oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, in the hope of piping some of the oil to ships on the surface.

Video footage showed the cap lowered into place against pressure from escaping oil and gas.

BP said some oil had started flowing up the pipe attached to the cap, but it could take the rest of the day to determine how much.

The US Coast Guard said the cap would only be a temporary, partial fix.

Alyara 06-06-2010 07:16 AM

just had a really random idea from chat, stupid but i think it would be cool... have like the west coast choppers or w/eva those people that make custom bikes make an avatar themed chopper and auction it off to raise money to help those poor animals that are getting all screwed up by the oil spill or something....


random idea, thought i'd just put it out there

tm20 06-06-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alyara (Post 53126)
just had a really random idea from chat, stupid but i think it would be cool... have like the west coast choppers or w/eva those people that make custom bikes make an avatar themed chopper and auction it off to raise money to help those poor animals that are getting all screwed up by the oil spill or something....


random idea, thought i'd just put it out there

american chooper? O.C.C. ? I don't know if they do that anymore. The show stopped because too much arguing in the family. And a bike wouldn't raise enough money to make a difference. However the idea of a fund raiser is defenetily worth thinking about. So far I havn't seen anyone asking for donations in where I live. I guess the oil spill isn't a big issue for Australia :(

*BTW O.C.C. make crap bikes :P

Alyara 06-06-2010 08:24 AM

lol idk better than the custom street racer car idea, but at least it might get pple thinking (i hope)

tm20 06-06-2010 08:47 AM

last year (or the year before) in australia there was a really bad bushfire and all homes within the affected area were destroyed. So to raise money for the rebuilding of people's homes a huge concert was organized. It was a huge success and within a year most, if not all, of the homes have been rebuilt. Maybe the same could be done?

Alyara 06-06-2010 08:48 AM

thats actually a good idea

madman 06-11-2010 10:53 PM

More bad news....

FOXNews.com - U.S. Estimates Double Oil Flow Into Gulf

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U.S. Estimates Double Oil Flow Into Gulf

Published June 11, 2010


HOUSTON -- With each new look by scientists, the oil spill just keeps looking worse.

New figures for the blown-out well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico show the amount of oil spewing may have been up to twice as much as previously thought, according to scientists consulting with the federal government.

That could mean 42 million gallons to more than 100 million gallons of oil have already fouled the Gulf's fragile waters, affecting people who live, work and play along the coast from Louisiana to Florida -- and perhaps beyond.

It is the third -- and perhaps not the last -- time the U.S. government has had to increase its estimate of how much oil is gushing. Trying to clarify what has been a contentious and confusing issue, officials on Thursday gave a wide variety of estimates.

All the new spill estimates are worse than earlier ones -- and far more costly for BP, which has seen its stock sink since the April 20 explosion that killed 11 workers and triggered the spill. Most of Thursday's estimates had more oil flowing in an hour than what officials once said was spilling in an entire day.

"This is a nightmare that keeps getting worse every week," said Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club. "We're finding out more and more information about the extent of the damage. ... Clearly we can't trust BP's estimates of how much oil is coming out."

The spill was flowing at a daily rate that could possibly have been as high as 2.1 million gallons, twice the highest number the federal government had been saying, U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia M****t, who is coordinating estimates, said Thursday. But she said possibly more credible numbers are a bit lower.

And the estimate does not take into account the cutting of the riser pipe on June 3 -- which BP said would increase the flow by about 20 percent -- and subsequent placement of a cap. No estimates were given for the amount of oil gushing from the well after the cut. Nor are there estimates since a cap was put on the pipe, which already has collected more than 3 million gallons.

The estimates are not nearly complete and different teams have come up with different numbers. A new team from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute came in with even higher estimates, ranging from 1 million gallons a day to 2.1 million gallons. If the high end is true, that means nearly 107 million gallons have spilled since April 20.

Even using other numbers that federal officials and scientists call a more reasonable range would have about 63 million gallons spilling since the rig explosion. If that amount was put in gallon milk jugs, they would line up for nearly 5,500 miles. That's the distance from the spill to London, where BP is headquartered, and then continuing on to Rome.

By comparison, the worst peacetime oil spill, 1979's Ixtoc 1 in Mexico, was about 140 million gallons over 10 months. The Gulf spill hasn't yet reached two months. The Exxon Valdez, the previous worst U.S. oil spill, was just about 11 million gallons, and the new figures mean Deepwater Horizon is producing an Exxon Valdez size spill every five to 13 days.

Meanwhile, oil still was washing up on Gulf beaches. But it wasn't as bad Friday morning at Orange Beach, Ala., as it had been earlier in the week. Waves brought in a foot-long chunk of what appeared to be solid oil on the white sand. One side was flat and curved, while the other was honeycombed with bubbles and a single spot where crude oozed out. Standing near the water line, Elaine Fox picked it up without a thought.

"I'm not dead, I'm not sick," said Fox, of West Monroe, La. "I think a lot of this is nothing but media hype."

A day earlier, President Barack Obama consoled relatives of the 11 workers killed in the oil rig explosion, acknowledging their "unimaginable grief" and personally assuring the families he will stand with them.

One man who lost a son asked Obama to support efforts to update federal law limiting the amount of money the families can collect.

"He told us we weren't going to be forgotten," said Keith Jones of Baton Rouge, La. "He just wanted us to know this wasn't going to leave his mind and his heart."

Jones' 28-year-old son, Gordon, was working on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig leased by BP PLC when it exploded and then sank.

Later in the day, the White House released a letter from Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, who is overseeing the crisis for the government, inviting BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg and "any appropriate officials from BP" to meet Wednesday with senior administration officials. Allen said Obama, who has yet to speak with any BP official since the explosion more than seven weeks ago, would participate in a portion of the meeting.

As the crude continues to foul the water, Louisiana leaders are rushing to the defense of the oil-and-gas industry and pleading with Washington to immediately bring back offshore drilling. Though angry at BP over the disaster, state officials warn that the Obama administration's six-month halt to new permits for deep-sea oil drilling has sent Louisiana's most lucrative industry into a death spiral.

They contend that drilling is safe overall and the moratorium is a knee-jerk reaction. They worry that it comes at a time when another major Louisiana industry -- fishing -- has been brought to a standstill by the Gulf mess.

"Mr. President, you were looking for someone's butt to kick. You're kicking ours," Lafourche Parish President Charlotte Randolph said Thursday.

The oil and gas industry brings in billions of dollars in revenue for Louisiana and accounting for nearly one-third of the nation's domestic crude production, and it took a heavy blow when the government imposed the moratorium.

"It's going to put us out of business," said Glenn LeCompte, owner of a Louisiana catering company that provides food to offshore rigs.

With all sorts of estimates for what's flowing from the BP well -- some even smaller than the amount collected by BP in its containment cap -- M****t said the most credible range at the moment is between 840,000 gallons and 1.68 million gallons a day. Then she added that it was "maybe a little bit more."

But later Thursday, the Interior Department said scientists who based their calculations on video say the best estimate for oil flow before June 3 was between 1.05 million gallons a day and 1.26 million gallons a day. The department mentioned only a cubic meter per second rate from Woods Hole -- not a rate that translated into actual amounts -- and those numbers only added to the confusion on just how much oil is gushing out.

Previous estimates had put the range roughly between half a million and a million gallons a day, perhaps higher. At one point, the federal government claimed only 42,000 gallons were spilling a day and then it upped the number to 210,000 gallons.
*cry* :'( :angry: :(

Vauktu 06-14-2010 08:25 PM

Do humans ever learn about their mistakes? According to this video, we don't.





auroraglacialis 06-16-2010 10:24 AM

Yeah - that deja-vu is amazing, isn't it?
And I have heard that since then (possibly even now) several similar (but significantly smaller and without exploding rigs) events occured in the gulf. So it seems to be not that uncommon, that a well at the bottom of the ocean leaks.

Oh and here is a good one, but be advised to not take it too seriously. I agree with the danger of erosion and some other points, but the second part is more wild speculation and doomsdaying (especially the tsunami part - this is IMO quite nonsense, so take it with more than a pinch of salt and see it as sarcastic humour)

Oil Volcano Pressure Too Strong For Containment

Fosus 06-20-2010 01:52 PM

This is sad.. Very sad only. Humans have way too much control over this planet. :(

Knowing myself i'm now at the second stage of handling my thoughts about this: The feeling of Anger.

And the next will be hopelessness.

auroraglacialis 06-23-2010 12:28 PM

One more rather scary article (which sadly has in my opinion as a scientist in a similar area has a lot of truth to it):
Is the BP Gusher Unstoppable? | Mother Jones
According to this, it may happen that we'll end up with a hole in the ground that cannot be contained by technology once the pipes and BOP are gone.

And there will be a number of talks by scientists on the spill at TED:
Speakers | TEDxOilSpill

Oh and I understand hopelessness - I feel this in a way. But it is also a feeling of "let's see what comes next". I know I cannot change these things, so I will have to make best with what comes from it. It's a bit bad because it seems like a retreat to myself, but since I cannot prevent the oil spill or fix it, I can do not much more than try to live in a way that I feel is better. What else do we have control over if not our own lives - and even that only to a degree. Yes, we can participate in actions and ralleys and protests and votes and by all means we should, but I realize, we cannot carry the weight of it all on our shoulders alone. And this is what many people, me included, tend to do. All the sorrow and grief humanity and civilization puts on this planet - it is too much to put on a persons shoulders, especially if the range of actions are limited. The result is fear, hopelessness and depression. I had this for years and I'm sick of it and ready to find a way out of it, even if it includes only myself or some people around me.

auroraglacialis 06-24-2010 11:40 AM

And it goes on - after yesterday, BP ordered to remove the cap, now leaving the oil flow freely into the ocean once more (and ever more so due to the botched rescue operation), I just read this now: BP Is Pursuing Alaska Drilling Some Call Risky - NYTimes.com - well that is great, right? Same stupid stuff, breaking more records, this time Alaska. Exxon Valdez still ringing a bell with anyone?


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