Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum - So It Has Come To This...

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Originally Posted by avatarfan 2012 (Post 5128)

You really must be one of the most ignorant people I have ever met. I have no wounded pride at all. Only a sadness that AF was ruined for me by a small group of posters (not necessarily everyone here). I left because I was truly tired of all the bs. If oyu have an issue with me, please take it up on Skype where we can talk *face-to-face*, don't post about me behind my back.

Anyways, stealing Walkers shirt design would also be wrong and pathetic. Come up with you own design rather then taking one someone put their time and effort into, especially after he was driven to quit.

Hm... this looks like it's going to turn into a flame war very quickly by the looks of it...

...And so it shall.

I'm not ignorant. If you knew me well enough you wouldn't have mentioned it, but I forgive you since you're underestimating the situation. I have a feeling you really, truly don't know the people who started ToS as well as I, so cutting to the chase, ask yourself, "Do I understand why Tree-of-Souls exists as a forum?" If your answer is,

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ur little crew are full of babies, whiners, and b****es to be frank... they want their way or nothing

That forum is founded on power-hungry users, and it WILL end badly

then I'd consider your insight to be dim. I've talked personally with a few of these people and this is not the reason the forum was founded. The fact alone when you constantly revert to the word "f**k" every time you wish a point of yours to be made astounds me at how such a person as yourself would even be allowed into a moderating team, considering the obvious nature of your lack of vocabulary skills (at least Aihwa possesses that luxury when he responds to others), but I digress.

You continually insult me when I've never done anything or said anything against you that was untrue. I believe I spoke the truth when I mentioned your "wounded pride", considering a real, honest person who loves Avatar wouldn't care about petty differences given by a few members. I know if I was a moderator who was getting bashed constantly I wouldn't leave because some people didn't like me. That's called cowardice, sir. You joined AF because you liked Avatar, supposedly. But that wasn't enough, was it? You had to go stepping all over others who "over-loved" Neytiri and voiced their opinions about certain elements of the film that you didn't care for. I've seen the IRC records of your hurtful comments.

Not to label you a "coward", but leaving the forums because of a few pesky members that got on your nerves? Please. I don't think you a coward, but that move you made was cowardly if that's the only reason you have. At least Na'viWalker has another reason besides just "tired of all the bulls**t": too much work as it is. That's something I can respect. You, on the other hand...

I made one comment, saying "moderators are corrupt". Wow, what a surprise. If you knew my history on many different forums, how I ultimately caused the shut-down of one forum because of a corrupt administrator by emailing the prominent members the truth about him, and how I exposed another super-moderator for lying to the rest of the community about certain issues (later turning over a new leaf because of me), then you'd understand why I believe what I believe. I believe everyone who possesses the title of "Administrator" or "Moderator" cannot be fully trusted, and that includes every one of them here as well. Those two examples are of people I loved. They were my friends. But they screwed up. No one else was willing to ring the bell. I believe in honesty, integrity, and justice. If these qualities aren't inherent in a moderator, I watch them very closely. So far, I see no seedy dealings among these few. But I watch, nevertheless. I watch.

You say you're "tired of all the bulls**t", but I think you're just giving up because your pride is weakened from all the clashing opinions you encounter. At least the other moderators have the sense in staying and not letting something like "troublesome members" get in their way. If anyone is insulted the most it's Lon. Do you see him shutting down the forum because members are against his decisions? Didn't think so.

So to close this statement that's likely to be deleted at least 5 minutes after it's posted, I'd like to say I don't support any theft of work from anyone, I'm just laying down the risks and how-to's. I particularly don't care much for any T-Shirt that was made, honestly. I really don't care. I'm not out for anything. You're decent to say that it's morally wrong to steal a design, and I never endorsed any stealing. If you'd have read what I said you would've noticed I specifically outlined the fact that if the design is copyrighted, it'd be illegal and he could press charges. I'm also being logical to say if it isn't copyrighted, you can do whatever the hell you want with it; that's a fact. Morally right, ethically wrong, it's a hard fact.

Don't get caught? That's also a logical conclusion to come to if you're willing to go so far. I don't endorse this act, but simply as a statement of common sense I say "don't get caught" because that's the only advice I have to any person who's willing to go the whole nine yards. Not that I'd go there, but that's the advice to give. Take it or leave it, like stealing "Avatar" off the internet and watching it on your computer for your own personal use, for instance. I'm sure you know all about that, and so does Na'viWalker; so don't come to me saying, "That's wrong!" At least I'm being honest.

If you've come here just to get first glance to see how we'll respond to your rants, or just to see how fast the forum "will end badly" (as you put it), you won't get far. Please offer your support at least, like Aihwa has, or leave now. You aren't welcome here to bash our brains out with your disapproval with absolutely nothing to contribute.

Case closed.