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allycat 05-16-2010 04:26 PM

Understanding
 
I have decided on something.. that this place, Tree of Souls, is the most understanding place I will ever go. I feel that we can say anything that is on our minds.. whether it is certain issues, or something that was really bothering us that day, or anything we fan over and have fun with. I trust you guys pretty much with my life. You are like the family I never had and wish I had. I don't like my family to be honest, so you are a definite acception :D
I find certain things i talk about on here, people tend to listen and not call it mindless whining and ranting. I can tell u things I cannot even tell my own mother. That's how nice it is here. She doesn't understand why i choose to fight for us against the society.. and she often gets mad because she doesn't want to hear it.. yet she can talk about what she wants to. I love my mom dearly, but there's a place we all need to go where we can really feel appreciated..
so, Tree of Souls and the awesome people who reside here, Thank you.. for everything.. :D

Toshowlove 05-16-2010 04:42 PM

Mmmm Isn't it wonderful?

I feel the same way! I'm a fairly open person to begin with, but here i know that when i need someone to help me deal with silly thoughts that i'm not going to be shot down. Super wholesome and welcoming :)

Fkeu'itan 05-16-2010 04:52 PM

Hear, hear!

I feel exactly the same way. I post things here that I would never mention to a soul 'in real life'. The same goes for all my poetry and various other musings. This place has also helped me broaden my horizons as well. So many different and diverse people with varied tastes in music, literature, art and so many different cultures to take in that when I look back to before Avatar and the finding of the forums, I was so very closed-minded.

Everyone here helped me open up and share my deepest thoughts and emotions, something that would have stayed pushed down into the depths, causing untold pain and anguish. What you all have done, esentially, is set me free...

So, to agree with the OP, this is an amazing place and here's to many, many more monts and hopefully years to come.

Irayo ma aytsmuke ulte aytsmukan, si oel ayngati kameie.
(Feel free to jump all over that one Na'vi linguists. :P)

allycat 05-16-2010 05:08 PM

its an amazing place to feel at home and not feel shot down :D i like that haha!

yes, the freedom thing Fkeu the freedom thing!! it makes us feel like we are pretty free here to express ANYTHING! no one discriminates here and i love it! all the different works of art and different kind of music sense.. its awesome! lol :D

Eltu 05-16-2010 05:16 PM

I too feel the same way, and I am very happy it has turned out like this in the end :)

I See you all, and I could trust you with anything! :D

allycat 05-16-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eltu (Post 38345)
I too feel the same way, and I am very happy it has turned out like this in the end :)

I See you all, and I could trust you with anything! :D

THIS^^

I See you too :D:D

Petrucho 05-16-2010 05:49 PM

this is a really trustful place :D , with some people that i've met here i've shared a lot of things that i just can't share with my friends at school ... only because they find it pointless and stupid or strange. Since the day i registered here, the very beggining of this forums, i knew that this would be my second family :D , and im not gonna change it, never never NEVER :party: :D I See You All ! :D :D

Isard 05-16-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eltu (Post 38345)
I too feel the same way, and I am very happy it has turned out like this in the end :)

I See you all, and I could trust you with anything! :D


*Aihwa pokes Eltu*




I agree completely ally. It is a very nice place to post.

Eltu 05-16-2010 06:00 PM

One little exception though, this guy keeps poking me!

madman 05-16-2010 06:02 PM

Understanding
 
It is fitting that this topic was posted. My wife and I have been in the bay area for a few days due to recently finding out her father has liver cancer. Last night I spoke with my wife about what these forums mean to me and the people here. For once she was actually listening and showing some understanding. I think she was feeling vulnerable so it left her open minded. I finally think my wife undertands and that means so much to me. I love you all!!

Isard 05-16-2010 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eltu (Post 38366)
One little exception though, this guy keeps poking me!



To the ends of the earth...

Fkeu'itan 05-16-2010 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman (Post 38367)
It is fitting that this topic was posted. My wife and I have been in the bay area for a few days due to recently finding out her father has liver cancer. Last night I spoke with my wife about what these forums mean to me and the people here. For once she was actually listening and showing some understanding. I think she was feeling vulnerable so it left her open minded. I finally think my wife undertands and that means so much to me. I love you all!!

I'm terribly sorry to hear this madman, all my soul goes out to you and your family.

*hugs* I love you too (man love, not that love... :D) as with everyone here.

Cyan 05-16-2010 06:31 PM

*Shares cuddle time with ally*
Spoken beautifully, it's soo lovely you can actually feel a community inside all of us :D

ZenitYerkes 05-16-2010 07:15 PM

I agree, this place is one of the few in which you can fearlessly leave your heart open to the people.

I love ToS so much :D

Eltu 05-16-2010 07:22 PM

Looking at all previous drama, I am pleasantly surprised it turned out this well! :D

Fighter-of-Wars 05-16-2010 07:42 PM

You said it Ally. ToS is a great place with amazing people. Everyone is so truthful, open, and loving. Its a great place to be a part of and I'm honored to have it in my favorites.

Eltu 05-16-2010 07:47 PM

You're telling me it's not your start page? :D

Fighter-of-Wars 05-16-2010 08:01 PM

It probably should be. I don't have a start page, haven't gotten around to changing it from the standard firefox one. But its the first one I click on, after that its the email and on and on.

Stanley_9875 05-16-2010 09:57 PM

I'm so glad to know all of you... you're all my family, my aytsmukan si aytsmuke :) I love all of you so much.

Great post Ally *hugs*

Helicoradian 05-16-2010 10:18 PM

I'm thankful a place like this exist and has so many great people:) I honestly don't know what I would do without ToS:(

allycat 05-17-2010 12:34 AM

*hugs everyone* aww you guys are so awesome! every single one of you!
and im so sorry to hear madman i hope everything is going well :)

Aquaplant 05-18-2010 06:46 AM

Overly glorifying thread I'd say, because even though we think we understand, that's usually only a delusion to make us feel content, or to help others through kind words and alike.

I'm not saying that this isn't a friendly community, because it is. I'm just pointing out that when it comes to humans, things tend to get so complex, there's no way of telling how things really are. It's impossible to converse in such way that people would understand one another, at least on purely text based level anyways, because text lacks all the emotion of the writer. The person reading the text must interpret the emotional value of the text on their own terms, and as we are all different, we make up different conclusions about things.

madman 05-18-2010 08:05 AM

Understanding
 
thanks for ruining the good feelings that I had about this thread. You remind me of some of the new faces on AF

Human No More 05-18-2010 08:15 AM

Everyone... thank you :)

I'm still so happy we have ToS. You all thank us, for giving us somewhere, but it would be nothing without you, always remember that :)

Aquaplant... Do you even read some of the threads here? I have shared my deepest thoughts her,e things I could never tell anyone else, I know people who REALLY understand me, and I know I'm not the only one.

Ratavasidna 05-18-2010 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allycat (Post 38328)
I have decided on something.. that this place, Tree of Souls, is the most understanding place I will ever go. I feel that we can say anything that is on our minds.. whether it is certain issues, or something that was really bothering us that day, or anything we fan over and have fun with. I trust you guys pretty much with my life. You are like the family I never had and wish I had. I don't like my family to be honest, so you are a definite acception :D
I find certain things i talk about on here, people tend to listen and not call it mindless whining and ranting. I can tell u things I cannot even tell my own mother. That's how nice it is here. She doesn't understand why i choose to fight for us against the society.. and she often gets mad because she doesn't want to hear it.. yet she can talk about what she wants to. I love my mom dearly, but there's a place we all need to go where we can really feel appreciated..
so, Tree of Souls and the awesome people who reside here, Thank you.. for everything.. :D

cute kitty cat, i agree with you 100%. the talks on here are so enjoyable as well, (jake >D) but more serious than him, you can release on your personal issues.... its a good thing, because talking it out relieves some of that stress, and we can help make you(or others) feel better. its like we have unintentional love for everyone flowing in here, which in my opinion is very groovy. the fight against society must continue, and by theses stories, i have that feeling that she is one of those people that do not "see", and it seems like the power to "see" can only circulate in between all of us here as well... this is something that we have to spread outward toward the society, and then everyone will finally understand why we have gone against them.
its this seeing which makes you feel the appreciation you do, and i really love that you feel it, and see it. *group hugs tightly* i love all of you out there.

P.S.: :shock::shock::shock::shock: (win XD)

Aquaplant 05-18-2010 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 39263)
Aquaplant... Do you even read some of the threads here? I have shared my deepest thoughts her,e things I could never tell anyone else, I know people who REALLY understand me, and I know I'm not the only one.

Well apparently I've sunken so deep into my depression, that I no longer see things as they are, I don't know. But I guess I'd better leave, so I wont risk hurting others who still feel the spark of life.

tm20 05-18-2010 12:40 PM

One reason I love this place is because i can discuss so many things. Some things I don't even discuss with friends or family. Thankyou all for being so understanding. Irayo matsmukan si matsmuke :)

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-18-2010 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 39382)
Well apparently I've sunken so deep into my depression, that I no longer see things as they are, I don't know. But I guess I'd better leave, so I wont risk hurting others who still feel the spark of life.

Heh, I completely understand where you're coming from. :) There's absolutely nothing wrong with how you're feeling. All in honestly, sometimes I sink so low that I barely know what to do anymore. I would get so depressed that I just want to sit around and do nothing at all but allow myself to feel it. But that never stopped me from doing what I knew I needed to do, and that was to stay here. I knew I had some sort of specific purpose or else I wouldn't be here. I have a feeling the same goes for you and everyone else in here, regardless of whether they know their purpose or not, myself included. I may have an inkling of what my life may be like, but I know that it is ultimately up to me to help myself get out of this depressive state. I find, rather often, that constantly looking into the past and into the future is rather silly and unnecessary. This incessant compulsive thinking is unhealthy for me and I realize that when I focus on the present, the Now, I feel so much better. It's similar to going outside and taking a breather. You feel more calm and centered within yourself instead of thinking too much. That's the problem with humanity, always thinking instead of taking a break and reflecting upon themselves once in a while.

All I'm saying is Aquaplant, believe it or not, there are others that understand each other. Maybe you can try going out in nature once in a while and let yourself relax. I find that helps me tremendously every time I do so. You should try it too. :) See how it works out for ya. If not, then you always have at least one person on Earth available to talk to you. I guess my paragraph can be summed up like this: Nobody is ever truly alone, even when they perceive themselves to be. Me being deaf, that's something I cope with and battle everyday, with the added exception of being different from the majority of humanity. That still doesn't deter me from doing what I set out to do. ;)

I hope this helps you out a bit. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Either way, I sincerely believe you can do it. :) *hugs* :D

allycat 05-18-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andisavatar (Post 39274)
cute kitty cat, i agree with you 100%. the talks on here are so enjoyable as well, (jake >D) but more serious than him, you can release on your personal issues.... its a good thing, because talking it out relieves some of that stress, and we can help make you(or others) feel better. its like we have unintentional love for everyone flowing in here, which in my opinion is very groovy. the fight against society must continue, and by theses stories, i have that feeling that she is one of those people that do not "see", and it seems like the power to "see" can only circulate in between all of us here as well... this is something that we have to spread outward toward the society, and then everyone will finally understand why we have gone against them.
its this seeing which makes you feel the appreciation you do, and i really love that you feel it, and see it. *group hugs tightly* i love all of you out there.

P.S.: :shock::shock::shock::shock: (win XD)

Hey Andi fanman! thank you for coming into my thread! i am happy you are here :D you are absolutely right because it feels AMAZING to let out your emotions and feelings about certain things. I love it! people here listen like they should.. and there has been LOTS of personal issues on here that have been talked alot about. unfortunately my own mother doesn't see 100% even tho she does kinda see in a sense :P she's not completely naive.. she knows the poeple in this town i live in suck and are rude lol. :P but like u said, she does not see when it comes to society... you guys do, and continue to fight with me.. a REALLY good example and proof that society gets to people.. ok lastnight i was watching a new episode of intervention (help people off drugs) and this girl addicted to everything actually worked for Paul Mitchell and got a nice sum of money annually. but, she started feeling bad about herself because she was surrounded by all these beautiful people.. yet.. they were just as beautiful as she was, YET... she still went and got a boob job, liposuction and a tummy tuck.. after i see her posing in bikinis alot.. i stormed upstairs i was so mad.. HOW CAN MY OWN MOTHER NOT SEE WHAT SOCIETY IS DOING TO PEOPLE?

hahahahahaha!! THAT EMOTICON WILL NEVER GET OLD! :shock:

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-18-2010 04:15 PM

Yeah, I feel the same way as you do allycat, except that I gradually accepted the fact that most people will simply not 'get it' until they experience it or see things a bit similarly. I don't get as mad as I used to be, and realized that it's impossible to create a massive world wide change if the rest of the population isn't willingly accepting or nonjudgmental. This is largely due to extreme amounts of denial in their consciousness as well as unawareness of who they truly are in the depths of their soul. I would say that in their case, the saying "Ignorance is bliss" is apparent, yet to us it is obvious. We can see past the facade they portray and are oblivious to what lies right in front of them. Your mother is probably one of those people who either aware of what's happening and tries to deny as much as possible or is heavily distracted and conditioned by what society imposes on her. Of course, I'm not trying to judge but rather give an estimate on her behavior and guess what she's like. The reason why I said this was because I've seen so many people like that in my life time and it's amazingly shocking to me how these people cannot see it when it's so simple. I suppose this is one of the extreme cases of ignorance and the amount of conditioning is astonishing. Your representation of the television show 'Intervention' (saw that show by the way, loved it! :)) is a great example of what's going on in modern society and its insanity. Whatever the case may be, I wish all these unfortunate souls a wake up call so they can see the reality behind their actions and their way of thinking. :)

madman 05-18-2010 04:34 PM

Understanding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant

Well apparently I've sunken so deep into my depression, that I no longer see things as they are, I don't know. But I guess I'd better leave, so I wont risk hurting others who still feel the spark of life.

No I don't think you should leave. This post here is much more constructive than the last. What you have shown with this post is a spark of vulnerability. This is what brought so many of us here. I sought answers to why I was feeling the way I was feeling. Perhaps we aren't 'professionals' per say, but we all have our own experiences that we can share with you should you want it. It helps, it really does. I do hope that you stay and open up a little. Perhaps then you will see how great of a place this really is. You are not alone ma tsmukan.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-18-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman (Post 39476)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant
Well apparently I've sunken so deep into my depression, that I no longer see things as they are, I don't know. But I guess I'd better leave, so I wont risk hurting others who still feel the spark of life.

No I don't think you should leave. This post here is much more constructive than the last. What you have shown with this post is a spark of vulnerability. This is what brought so many of us here. I sought answers to why I was feeling the way I was feeling. Perhaps we aren't 'professionals' per say, but we all have our own experiences that we can share with you should you want it. It helps, it really does. I do hope that you stay and open up a little. Perhaps then you will see how great of a place this really is.

^^^ This. :) It's entirely up to you whether you want to stay or not,
but just know that we are all here for you.
We will not judge your decisions, not one bit. :)

rapunzel77 05-18-2010 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 39230)
Overly glorifying thread I'd say, because even though we think we understand, that's usually only a delusion to make us feel content, or to help others through kind words and alike.

I'm not saying that this isn't a friendly community, because it is. I'm just pointing out that when it comes to humans, things tend to get so complex, there's no way of telling how things really are. It's impossible to converse in such way that people would understand one another, at least on purely text based level anyways, because text lacks all the emotion of the writer. The person reading the text must interpret the emotional value of the text on their own terms, and as we are all different, we make up different conclusions about things.
Well apparently I've sunken so deep into my depression, that I no longer see things as they are, I don't know. But I guess I'd better leave, so I wont risk hurting others who still feel the spark of life.


I'm sorry that you are depressed right now Aquaplant. When one is depressed, they often can't see the good that is in front of them :(. Alleycat is right that we can be totally open on TOS. What helps is that some of us have had similar experiences. I have experienced depression before and the feeling of loneliness. I think that most of us have. None of us are "professionals" but sometimes all you need is a listening ear.

We are here to share our experiences, talking about Avatar, or just being a friend. Rest assured, you are not hurting anyone by expressing to all of us that you are depressed. Depression has happened to us all. In fact, if it is possible for you, allow us to help. No one will judge you. There are many good listeners here on TOS. Let us help. I don't think that any of us want you to leave. You contribute with some good posts and I found our discussion on religion to be helpful and enjoyable :).

If you want, you can always PM me. I'll listen.

Aquaplant 05-18-2010 08:18 PM

I'm sorry
 
Thank you all for your kind words and understanding.

I want to apologize for the things I've said. I never meant to hurt anyone, but I know I've done so with my inconsiderate words.

Depression has darkened my heart and clouded my mind with anger and despair. I feel like I no longer belong here, where people are happy and kind to one another. I just don't know what to do.

madman 05-18-2010 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 39588)
Thank you all for your kind words and understanding.

I want to apologize for the things I've said. I never meant to hurt anyone, but I know I've done so with my inconsiderate words.

Depression has darkened my heart and clouded my mind with anger and despair. I feel like I no longer belong here, where people are happy and kind to one another. I just don't know what to do.

Oh, but you do belong here. Not every one of us is happy everyday. We all have our ups and downs. Simply because you are sharing how you feel with us makes you a contributing and valued member of this community. Can you elaborate on what has you so down?

Aquaplant 05-19-2010 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman (Post 39598)
Oh, but you do belong here. Not every one of us is happy everyday. We all have our ups and downs. Simply because you are sharing how you feel with us makes you a contributing and valued member of this community. Can you elaborate on what has you so down?

I don't know what really causes all this, it could be pretty much anything that's currently wrong with my life, but there are so many, that it's impossible to say if it's even any of those.

Maybe it's something I refuse to acknowledge to myself, and have it buried so deep that I'll never find it again, I can only speculate, because I don't know.

I tried to explain some of it to Toshowlove, since she asked what was causing my moody behaviour, but that didn't really amount to anything. How can I hope to explain any of it when I don't even understand myself anymore.

allycat 05-19-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Txantsulsam Fyawintxu (Post 39467)
Yeah, I feel the same way as you do allycat, except that I gradually accepted the fact that most people will simply not 'get it' until they experience it or see things a bit similarly. I don't get as mad as I used to be, and realized that it's impossible to create a massive world wide change if the rest of the population isn't willingly accepting or nonjudgmental. This is largely due to extreme amounts of denial in their consciousness as well as unawareness of who they truly are in the depths of their soul. I would say that in their case, the saying "Ignorance is bliss" is apparent, yet to us it is obvious. We can see past the facade they portray and are oblivious to what lies right in front of them. Your mother is probably one of those people who either aware of what's happening and tries to deny as much as possible or is heavily distracted and conditioned by what society imposes on her. Of course, I'm not trying to judge but rather give an estimate on her behavior and guess what she's like. The reason why I said this was because I've seen so many people like that in my life time and it's amazingly shocking to me how these people cannot see it when it's so simple. I suppose this is one of the extreme cases of ignorance and the amount of conditioning is astonishing. Your representation of the television show 'Intervention' (saw that show by the way, loved it! :)) is a great example of what's going on in modern society and its insanity. Whatever the case may be, I wish all these unfortunate souls a wake up call so they can see the reality behind their actions and their way of thinking. :)

hey! omy i didnt even see this! i am so sorry! i will quote on it now!
you are right! people deny it and choose to ignore it! if they were not that way maybe this world would be a better place! it is true that the majority is not willing to change which really sucks i agree with you on that that it would be hard to change the world because of that.. thats why there is one kind act at a time :P maybe that will eventually help lol you are also right about my mom.. i think its a bit of both./. she knows that some of these people cant think for themselves but she is denying some of it.. and her whole life since being an older teen she has always worn makeup and liked heels.. ick sorry to say haha :P and uve seen the show before? thats so awesome :D it is a good show! :P i wish that too trust me.. i do.. i feel sorry for them in a sense cause they have no brains of their own, yet they are just dimwitted, so im not always feeling sorry forthem haha

rapunzel77 05-19-2010 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 39588)
Thank you all for your kind words and understanding.

I want to apologize for the things I've said. I never meant to hurt anyone, but I know I've done so with my inconsiderate words.

Depression has darkened my heart and clouded my mind with anger and despair. I feel like I no longer belong here, where people are happy and kind to one another. I just don't know what to do.

There is no need to apologize Aquaplant :). You haven't hurt anyone. It is you who is hurt and lonely :( and we are all here to help each other. You belong here just as much as everyone else. In fact, it would be worse for your depression if you did leave because your heart will darken even more :(. Here there is a spark of life, of hope, of a possibility of getting out of the darkness because many of us have gone through depression before or are in the throes of depression. We can help, if you let us.

allycat 05-19-2010 05:50 PM

everyone belongs here unless they cause a big amount of trouble that would make people really dislike them, but you didnt do that Aquaplant. we feel for you and hope you feel better :) we really hope you do *hugs*

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 06:00 PM

agreed aquaplant, we're here for you. No one will judge you... I won't I can't judge and I don't hate. You're surrounded by people who love you here.


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