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ZenitYerkes 05-18-2010 06:10 PM

Too late for the change?
 
Some people believe all this system is unchangeable and just wait arms crossed it to fall down. I don't, I believe a change is possible yet it's very, very difficult to be made.

Because most of people would rather keep all the **** they've got even though they know what it's cost.
We appreciate products of this society that have no actual value rather than the actual important things.
And try to fill a hole with something that will only make it deeper.

Things are not right now.

But I know I am not the only one who will try to fix them.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-18-2010 06:15 PM

:D Hear hear ma tsmukan! :hi: The most dysfunctional thing to say, in most cases, is "It's just the way it is"...

I've been confronted with so many people that tell me this almost everyday. Now, with all the new changes going on, no matter how small, it's proving to me that I know things can change. :)

You hit the head on the nail with this one Zenit! ;) *pats back*

Fkeu'itan 05-18-2010 11:29 PM

I like to think change is possible as well.

Just remember... we're the next generation to inherit this earth. Together we will make a difference.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-18-2010 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 39672)
I like to think change is possible as well.

Just remember... we're the next generation to inherit this earth. Together we will make a difference.

You, my good sir, are absolutely right! :) *high four!* :hi: :D *gives him a hug*

If we help even one entire generation, we help the next approximate 7 and on-going generations ahead of us. :)

That's definitely something to think about...

Sight Unseen 05-19-2010 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Txantsulsam Fyawintxu (Post 39548)
:D Hear hear ma tsmukan! :hi: The most dysfunctional thing to say, in most cases, is "It's just the way it is"...

And all those sheeple call us dysfunctional. It makes me want to cry.

Read C. 05-19-2010 07:10 AM

Mmm, the system? As in: Disunity, hierarchies, materialism, wasteful and unsustainable lifestyles? Have I nailed it yet? ;)

Change is possible but it starts with awareness of what we're facing as a collective. The ignorance is hard to dispel and cast away, and it's hard to rally people up for anything because John and Jane Doe are quite smug with the way things are. It's hard for anyone to reconsider another way when society is showering them with immediate material benefits.

With the indwelt human apathy and division, I think awareness is only possible through personal pain. Funny, humans won't react or fight for change unless it directly affects them. I think society's institutions breed us to be competitive and materialistic and disconnected from each other.

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 04:24 PM

Agreed, we can change this, but it can be very very difficult, but I think we'll accept a challenge as big as this... what would be the first thing we should do to start?

Fkeu'itan 05-19-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley_9875 (Post 40077)
Agreed, we can change this, but it can be very very difficult, but I think we'll accept a challenge as big as this... what would be the first thing we should do to start?

In my personal opinion, the place to start would be to realise that love and care is more important than money and power on all counts.

allycat 05-19-2010 04:26 PM

I think we should accept this as a challenge.... good one Stan :) i think in a way we have already started... we are posting threads and discussing issues in the world we wish to change and we are making good points..thats a start :P maybe someone will definitely listen to us :D it takes one step at a time and we could do it :D

oh and what Fkeu said.. the love thing.. we should care more about that than money.. in which the majority of us at ToS do :D

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 40078)
In my personal opinion, the place to start would be to realise that love and care is more important than money and power on all counts.

The motto I live by is PLUR, which is an acronym for Peace Love Unity and Respect... and darn it I live to that everyday. I don't judge and I can't hate. Sure I may dislike someone because of the way they're treating me, but I don't hate them, hate is such a strong powerful word that has lost it's true complete meaning, as with love. I think I'm off to a good start :D

Fkeu'itan 05-19-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley_9875 (Post 40081)
The motto I live by is PLUR, which is an acronym for Peace Love Unity and Respect... and darn it I live to that everyday. I don't judge and I can't hate. Sure I may dislike someone because of the way they're treating me, but I don't hate them, hate is such a strong powerful word that has lost it's true complete meaning, as with love. I think I'm off to a good start :D

Well, as you know, i'm a member of your community as well. (Even if my tastes lay in a slightly different area, we still have the same complex. ;)) And I agree, it is an absolutely excellent way to live your life.

If you only give out good energy to everything you interact with, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain in my personal view.

allycat 05-19-2010 04:39 PM

^^ awww i like PLUR it is amazing i go by that too! lol i have to admit when someone treats me very harshly and when i see stupid women having no mind and showing their skinny bodies to everyone in the world to see, i hate those people.. i HATE.. i cannot help it :( they just make me so angry. i know i shouldnt HATE but i have so much anger built up inside of me... at least i also love lol

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 40085)
Well, as you know, i'm a member of your community as well. (Even if my tastes lay in a slightly different area, we still have the same complex. ;)) And I agree, it is an absolutely excellent way to live your life.

If you only give out good energy to everything you interact with, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain in my personal view.

Haha I remember :) and yes, that motto has made my living so much better

And your personal view is also another great one... which is why I;m not afraid to do a lot of other things... I may be different and like different things, but I don't care about what others think and I don't let them sway my own personal opinions.

BTW this is a little OT but you say your taste in music is slightly different, how so? what genre do you like?

allycat 05-19-2010 04:51 PM

maybe i should stop talking in this thread.. its not doing me any good.. so goodbye everyone.. just on this thread...

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by allycat (Post 40091)
maybe i should stop talking in this thread.. its not doing me any good.. so goodbye everyone.. just on this thread...

Awww Ally, why are you leaving? You don't have to leave

Fkeu'itan 05-19-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley_9875 (Post 40088)
Haha I remember :) and yes, that motto has made my living so much better

And your personal view is also another great one... which is why I;m not afraid to do a lot of other things... I may be different and like different things, but I don't care about what others think and I don't let them sway my own personal opinions.

BTW this is a little OT but you say your taste in music is slightly different, how so? what genre do you like?

Exactly ma tsmukan, exactly. If it's strange to show love and compassion in this modern world then call me strange, call me the strangest person in the world should you wish because I know that I am living my life the way I want to and hopefully making other people's lives that little bit better in the process as well.

(As for the OT Well, I kind of fall exclusively into the Liquid D&B area at this very moment, never really strayed much into the trance world, but like I say, the feeling amongst us is very much the same.)

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Originally Posted by allycat (Post 40091)
maybe i should stop talking in this thread.. its not doing me any good.. so goodbye everyone.. just on this thread...

And I really don't want you to go ally.

You made a good point and I understand what you are saying completely. Sometimes it's incredibly difficult to love, or even like someone who appears to be completely blind to it themselves (unless you have the latest moblie phone or the highest in fashion that is...) but I still believe that in time even those people can be won over and, if you look deeper into someone, you can find that they have the same ideals, but feel pressured to conform.

allycat 05-19-2010 05:10 PM

its ok Stan :P lol my presence isnt important in this thread anyway :D i will be in the others though, i promise!! :P

Hey Fkeu! its ok im going to leave the thread anyway, so many others to post in :D lol just wanted to say something then get out haha :P but you are right! i just have to look deeper into them.. i will learn to eventually.. after i can get rid of my hatred for these people :P lol!!

Fkeu'itan 05-19-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by allycat (Post 40102)
its ok Stan :P lol my presence isnt important in this thread anyway :D i will be in the others though, i promise!! :P

Hey Fkeu! its ok im going to leave the thread anyway, so many others to post in :D lol just wanted to say something then get out haha :P but you are right! i just have to look deeper into them.. i will learn to eventually.. after i can get rid of my hatred for these people :P lol!!

Ahh ok ally, it's your own decision.

I'd just like to say, a lot of it has to do with the other person having to learn what matters as well, especially with people who judge on superficial means.

Ok, that's it. :D

Stanley_9875 05-19-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 40101)
Exactly ma tsmukan, exactly. If it's strange to show love and compassion in this modern world then call me strange, call me the strangest person in the world should you wish because I know that I am living my life the way I want to and hopefully making other people's lives that little bit better in the process as well.

(As for the OT Well, I kind of fall exclusively into the Liquid D&B area at this very moment, never really strayed much into the trance world, but like I say, the feeling amongst us is very much the same.)

Completely agree ma tsmukan... like with me, if I'm down, and someone throws me a PM or visitors message or just talks to me and says, "hey how are you doing?" turns my day around for the better... we don't know how many people out there are hurting ot suffering in some way... I want to be the guy that someone says about me, "he made my day so much better!" and hopefully they spread the love as well

(and as for the OT, you think you could send me a youtube video or two of your favorite liquid drum & bass songs? I'm always up for a new genre... but yea, trance, electronic, rave, techno, dubstep, things along those lines for me is the most incredible, heart and soul experience :) )

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 40101)
And I really don't want you to go ally.

You made a good point and I understand what you are saying completely. Sometimes it's incredibly difficult to love, or even like someone who appears to be completely blind to it themselves (unless you have the latest moblie phone or the highest in fashion that is...) but I still believe that in time even those people can be won over and, if you look deeper into someone, you can find that they have the same ideals, but feel pressured to conform.

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Originally Posted by allycat (Post 40102)
its ok Stan :P lol my presence isnt important in this thread anyway :D i will be in the others though, i promise!! :P

Hey Fkeu! its ok im going to leave the thread anyway, so many others to post in :D lol just wanted to say something then get out haha :P but you are right! i just have to look deeper into them.. i will learn to eventually.. after i can get rid of my hatred for these people :P lol!!

and Ally what Fkeu'itan said is truth... its hard to love those who seem to have more or are just spiteful to you... maybe what they need is some help from you :)

Fkeu'itan 05-19-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley_9875 (Post 40106)
Completely agree ma tsmukan... like with me, if I'm down, and someone throws me a PM or visitors message or just talks to me and says, "hey how are you doing?" turns my day around for the better... we don't know how many people out there are hurting ot suffering in some way... I want to be the guy that someone says about me, "he made my day so much better!" and hopefully they spread the love as well

(and as for the OT, you think you could send me a youtube video or two of your favorite liquid drum & bass songs? I'm always up for a new genre... but yea, trance, electronic, rave, techno, dubstep, things along those lines for me is the most incredible, heart and soul experience :))

Yup. Again, exactly how I feel. It's amazing what simple socialising and being shown a little love yourself can do to change your mood completely.

And like you said, hopefuly it will start a cascade. :)

(And again, talking about the OT, i'll post a video on your profile via visitor message, seeing as this isn't a music thread... :D)

Apollo 05-20-2010 02:21 AM

In the latest updates and scholarly news articles, things are changing around the world. Before, CEOs always listened to their investors when it came to their business decisions. However, out of nowhere, some CEOs are trying to unbind themselves to this tide. They are the ones the CEO is liable to and has to answer too; without them, the company wouldn't of existed so the loyalty from the CEO is demanded. If a CEO doesn't answer their investors, they suffer very big consequences in many ways. Take Exxon Mobil for instance. That company is among the most powerful of the oil companies in the world today. They make billions of profits in income (last time I checked, it was around 2 to 4 billion every quarter), and all of it comes from oil. Exxom Mobil is not, I repeat, NOT a clean industry, unlike how their commercials put it. Out of that fast income, 3/5ths of it goes to oil searching and discovery, 1/16th of it goes to finding alternate energy sources. Even though the amount of money dumped into finding alternate energies would seem astounding from researchers and scientists outside of E. Mobil ($1.2-$4.2 million every quarter). The company can do much better than this. The world doesn't want to change their course, and those with the power will not take the risk.

This goes for all countries, companies, and industries. We are not changing our 'business as usual' approach to the economy because the CEOs are unwilling, afraid, skeptical, and reluctant to change towards the way of the future. The government can step in and bring about great legislation influencing cleaner energies and safer products, but the amount of money the companies have is so much that they can corrupt their way into any policy, ultimately destroying any chance of a better future.

Dirty Power, Cement, Oil, and Cow Manure are the top 4 reasons for why global warming exists. Deforestation simply multiplied the pollutants of half of these variables. Things are going to get messy, real quick. Government really needs to do something, and I think there should be rules placed on lobbyists to help beneficial policies to get through. The lobbyists right now got it easier than businesses hiring illegal immigrants, that should be a warning sign.

Txantsulsam Fyawintxu 05-20-2010 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allycat (Post 40079)
I think we should accept this as a challenge.... good one Stan :) i think in a way we have already started... we are posting threads and discussing issues in the world we wish to change and we are making good points..thats a start :P maybe someone will definitely listen to us :D it takes one step at a time and we could do it :D

oh and what Fkeu said.. the love thing.. we should care more about that than money.. in which the majority of us at ToS do :D

One random act of kindness at a time transforms the world ma tsmuke. :) Such as is the case with Avatar. ;) One movie literally changed countless of people, even those who we don't know about. Indeed, you are right. We are already starting to shift our focus, and our group is very small. However, that doesn't mean anything. A small group can change the entire world, and it is the only thing that did. :) I say we spread this towards other corners of the world that desperately need love and kindness, including ourselves. :hi:

Stanley_9875 05-20-2010 08:18 AM

I love it when I drive around blasting some music with my bracelets on and such windows and sunroof down, whenever I make eye contact with someone I throw them the peace sign... I can't wait for someone to ask me what the Kandi bracelets are for and I reply and throw him a bracelet... That'll make them think :)

Fkeu'itan 05-20-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley_9875 (Post 40458)
I love it when I drive around blasting some music with my bracelets on and such windows and sunroof down, whenever I make eye contact with someone I throw them the peace sign... I can't wait for someone to ask me what the Kandi bracelets are for and I reply and throw him a bracelet... That'll make them think :)

I love that idea Stanley.

People think nothing's free in life these days, we just have to show them that some of the greatest things are. Maybe then they'll understand and start 'giving things away' themselves...


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