Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum

Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum (https://tree-of-souls.net/index.php)
-   Avatar News (https://tree-of-souls.net/forumdisplay.php?f=22)
-   -   This is kind of sad... :( (https://tree-of-souls.net/showthread.php?t=2552)

Human No More 09-09-2010 10:23 AM

This is kind of sad... :(
 
“Avatar” Sequels Could Be Less Violent, Influenced by South American Tribe > Spout

I first found a smaller mention of this, so I had another look and found that... I really hope the sequel doesn't lose that epicness of the first... :( - I don't know, I guess I can see where he's coming from, but I really will not be happy if it's just the Na'vi and Selfridge sitting in a room talking for 2 hours :'(
Yes, I want to see more of Pandora, more of the Na'vi,of the creatures of Pandora... But it will be empty without killing those ayskxawng tawtute :war:

Also, from a more practical point of view, I think that really, talking rarely actually resolves much, especially when one side has a lot more to gain than the other, and standing up for what you want to protect is a very important message...
I get how the Na'vi are based on humans in that way, but really, I can't honestly say they are completely the same. Just because there are obvious parallels doesn't mean they need to be a direct copy (isn't that the basis of a lot of idiots who dislike Avatar based on that anyway?)

I don't know, I kind of wish I hadn't seen this article really... I guess that if I hadn't, I wouldn't have noticed the lack of action in the sequel like that, but now it makes me worry :(

I trust JC, but I hope he knows what he is doing... :( - I'm sure Avatar 2 will be fine, but I hope he doesn't overdo it just for the sake of that...

This comment says it perfectly:
Quote:

The woman at the end of the first video said that there should be “un otro mensaje despues de ese,” meaning “another message after this one.” This is quite different from what numerous other sites reported, quoting her as saying that it needs a “better message.” Those sites need a better message; they’re throwing out some serious misinformation. It’s important to the current cross-cultural dialogue to look carefully and literally at how a people group like this would respond, and saying that the film needs “a better message” is a very different thing from saying that there needs to be “another message after this one.” It’s cool that they enjoyed the film and felt that it left an impact, but also recognize the need for a follow up because of the destruction that occurred. Funny how the sites reporting on this story neglected to mention the overall favorable reaction to the film.

In conclusion, my only straight up disagreement with what the last woman said was that Avatar showed no dialogue between the opposing forces. The protagonist forces stuck in the middle of the fight (Grace, Jake, other scientists) attempted dialogue, but the antagonist forces would not hear it. The movie shows the negative impact of what happens when we has humans refuse to engage in dialogue and hear the pleas of people groups that are being trod upon. The fight happens as a result of the brutish greed of the antagonist forces, and it also happens to make an entertaining movie with a good build. As terrible as war in the real world is, I couldn’t imagine Avatar without that last fight—because it’s a story, a movie. What is physical violence in the movie can actually represent the importance of a different kind of “fight” in the real world. It is important not to overlook that kind of symbolism.

Human No More 09-09-2010 10:30 AM

[10:27 am] <@HumanNoMore> I know...
[10:27 am] <@HumanNoMore> Avatar 2: Watch Jake, Neytiri and Mo'at sit in a room talking to Selfridge for 2 hours!
[10:27 am] <@HumanNoMore> then they agree to let the RDA mine some places and gradually lose what makes them unique
[10:28 am] <@Thorinair> lol
[10:28 am] <@HumanNoMore> :(

Thorinair 09-09-2010 11:17 AM

This sucks.

Marley 09-09-2010 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorinair (Post 93632)
This sucks.

^^^^

Human No More 09-09-2010 02:11 PM

Avatar shouldn't be a mirror of real life... :(
I know I'll watch the sequel regardless, but I'm not sure if it will be as good now. When you're making an amazing film, it needs to have that epicness, which I don't see how it will get now...

Fkeu 'Awpo 09-09-2010 02:27 PM

Skimmed through the article and some of the clips, and... just... wow.

Quote:

“In this movie, they solved their problems by fighting. We are not afraid to fight, but we have decided to try to solve our problems through dialogue. So this movie needs a better message.”
The movie's not about you, sorry.

Tymian 09-09-2010 02:59 PM

Well it's only one article I doubt it will be less Epic,

Human No More 09-09-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tymian (Post 93672)
Well it's only one article I doubt it will be less Epic,

James Cameron talks 'Avatar' sequel, the evolution of 3D, and respect for his geeks | EW.com
What I originally saw, I tried to convince myself that was only a small mention and that it wouldn't really do much, but I don't know :(

Also sucks because before, he said that the sequel would have a lot more about fighting the humans :(

I don't want to see them sitting down in some room and talking... Realistically, there would be nothing to gain by doing so anyway :(

Tymian 09-09-2010 03:48 PM

we really should trust that guy, after all he have few sequel on his acc, and come on it's his favorite universe, his baby .... i bet 10 l of Neytirijuice he will take care about his greatest 'creation' and we will eventually see most epic movie of all time (in same lvl or better as av 1 ),

Isard 09-09-2010 05:46 PM

Tbh, I found the ending fight forced, and, not very, good... I sometimes just skip over it. Seen one fight, seen em all.


You dont need two sides slaughtering each other to achieve epic.

Raiden 09-09-2010 05:48 PM

No!!!

I want to see more badass creatures smashin' stuff!!!

This movie isn't about those tribes; it's message relates to them, but this is entertainment, people want to see these kinds of things because this is what really motivates them and makes them decide to do their own things to help out with issues like these.

Some of the best parts of the first movie were during the fight scenes.....it would be a big mistake for Cameron to do this.

Isard 09-09-2010 05:50 PM

Movies that are run through on the weight of explosions annoy me. I'd rather think.

Human No More 09-09-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zai-en-ken (Post 93694)
No!!!

I want to see more badass creatures smashin' stuff!!!

This movie isn't about those tribes; it's message relates to them, but this is entertainment, people want to see these kinds of things because this is what really motivates them and makes them decide to do their own things to help out with issues like these.

Some of the best parts of the first movie were during the fight scenes.....it would be a big mistake for Cameron to do this.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aihwa (Post 93695)
Movies that are run through on the weight of explosions annoy me. I'd rather think.

I agree with you, for movies run on extraneous action for the sake of it... but not on ones which have it well done, as part of the storyline, and include other elements too.
Truthfully, I'd much rather have too much than none anyway.

I'm worried about Avatar 2... This sucks, I'm going to be worrying for the next 4 years now :(

Vauktu 09-09-2010 09:51 PM

Cameron knows exactly why Avatar was such a huge success around the world and why it affected many people's lives, so I'm sure he will take these things into consideration while he works on the sequel.

The more time spent on the sequel, the more time Jim has to change things and perfect it. He did it with the first movie, and I'm sure he'll do it with the second as well.

Boomachucka 09-10-2010 04:15 PM

I'm sure JC won't sell out or anything. I mean, as read in previous interviews, he was in tears about the film because he didn't think it was good enough; He couldn't feel it. I don't think he'll shoot for anything less with the sequels... Even if there is less violence and action, it will still be immensely entertaining and touch our hearts.

However, I don't really think he'll go with less action than we saw for the first film.

Human No More 09-10-2010 04:19 PM

Perhaps... I know that in the past, he originally promised MORE in the sequel... if that means that now it's similar to Avatar, I guess that's not that bad :)
But on the other hand, I could just be saying that to make myself feel better, not sure :(

Sight Unseen 09-13-2010 02:41 AM

I seriously hope Cameron lurks these forums...

Elyannia 09-13-2010 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aihwa (Post 93693)
Tbh, I found the ending fight forced, and, not very, good... I sometimes just skip over it. Seen one fight, seen em all.


You dont need two sides slaughtering each other to achieve epic.

Couldn't agree more. I have to say that I also skip over the fighting scenes because it gets boring after awhile. We've seen tons of fight scenes before. I'd like something different for a change =/. It seems like now a days a lot of people think a movie can only be good if someone is getting the crap beat out of them...

caveman 09-13-2010 04:34 AM

Respectfully, I disagree (with most of you). One of the reasons I thought the Avatar storyline was so good was because it is a reoccurring story in real life. I think Avatar is a mirror of real life. It's fantasy, but it heavily relates to real life. I didn't like the fight scenes much. I just liked being around hometree and such. Climbing the floating rocks was my favorite part. Or maybe the first night under bioluminescence. Very powerful, but without weapons.

Another couple things. First, don't worry about Avatar 2 taking place in a room, and just dialog. This is Cameron.

Secondly, the reason I suspect so many of you loved Avatar was because of the emotions, Pandora, Neytiri, Jake, the nights, the animals. Less fighting means more of those. We're not losing anything here. Plus, I recon there will be another massive battle. The second might lead to the third, like in Lord of the Rings. Overall, I wouldn't worry about it. If the sequel is simply dialog, then the dialog is taking place on Pandora. Even the most boring possible thing is going to be awesome.

Human No More 09-13-2010 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elyannia (Post 94348)
Couldn't agree more. I have to say that I also skip over the fighting scenes because it gets boring after awhile. We've seen tons of fight scenes before. I'd like something different for a change =/. It seems like now a days a lot of people think a movie can only be good if someone is getting the crap beat out of them...

Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman (Post 94358)
Respectfully, I disagree (with most of you). One of the reasons I thought the Avatar storyline was so good was because it is a reoccurring story in real life. I think Avatar is a mirror of real life. It's fantasy, but it heavily relates to real life. I didn't like the fight scenes much. I just liked being around hometree and such. Climbing the floating rocks was my favorite part. Or maybe the first night under bioluminescence. Very powerful, but without weapons.

Perhaps... but if the entire film was that, I think not only would it not have been anywhere near as successful as a mainstream audience will get bored, but there would be no conflict, no message... It wouldn't have affected many of us anywhere near as much as it did.

Quote:

Another couple things. First, don't worry about Avatar 2 taking place in a room, and just dialog. This is Cameron.
That is a British institution called sarcasm :P
I know it won't be THAT bad, but I'm still worried... :(

Quote:

Secondly, the reason I suspect so many of you loved Avatar was because of the emotions, Pandora, Neytiri, Jake, the nights, the animals. Less fighting means more of those. We're not losing anything here. Plus, I recon there will be another massive battle. The second might lead to the third, like in Lord of the Rings. Overall, I wouldn't worry about it. If the sequel is simply dialog, then the dialog is taking place on Pandora. Even the most boring possible thing is going to be awesome.
So you didn't think that some of the strongest emotion came from there?
It did for me...

Just the pure epicness of Jake as Toruk Makto and then gathering the Na'vi clans for battle...
Seze :'(
Trudy and Tsu'tey dying...
Neytiri...

"EYWA HAS HEARD YOU!!!!"

Then, of course... "I See you"... :'(

Sure, the rest of the film is beautiful, and it's still the only film I've ever even FELT LIKE crying about, let alone actually doing so... But without that, I wouldn't have anywhere near as much :(

Fosus 09-13-2010 01:35 PM

I am sure the sequel will be epic and even better than Avatar.

caveman 09-14-2010 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 94409)
Perhaps... but if the entire film was that, I think not only would it not have been anywhere near as successful as a mainstream audience will get bored, but there would be no conflict, no message... It wouldn't have affected many of us anywhere near as much as it did.


That is a British institution called sarcasm :P
I know it won't be THAT bad, but I'm still worried... :(


So you didn't think that some of the strongest emotion came from there?
It did for me...

Just the pure epicness of Jake as Toruk Makto and then gathering the Na'vi clans for battle...
Seze :'(
Trudy and Tsu'tey dying...
Neytiri...

"EYWA HAS HEARD YOU!!!!"

Then, of course... "I See you"... :'(

Sure, the rest of the film is beautiful, and it's still the only film I've ever even FELT LIKE crying about, let alone actually doing so... But without that, I wouldn't have anywhere near as much :(

I think its more than safe to say, there will be another massive battle.

I did get some powerful emotions from things like Toruk and the war. It's just that, for me, the things that stuck with me the most were the peaceful times.

Remember that expectations for this movie are going to be huge. Cameron will need to step up to that challenge, and that will have to include battles, or at least, a preview to the third movie - where another epic battle will take place.

Don't worry. Avatar 2 is going to be awesome. Hands down.

ISV Venture Star 09-14-2010 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caveman (Post 94509)

I did get some powerful emotions from things like Toruk and the war. It's just that, for me, the things that stuck with me the most were the peaceful times.

Me too. I would happily watch a 6 hour+ film that was just the 3 months that Jake spent learning the ways of the Omaticaya from Neytiri and recording observations in the shack with Grace and Norm, all culminating in the night at the Tree of Voices.

Elyannia 09-14-2010 03:27 AM

For me it seemed like the reasons the war and battles went on were powerful, but the actual battle scenes themselves weren't that powerful. The only battle scene that really touched me was the "eywa has heard you" and the Jake and Quaritch fight. The rest of the fight scenes didn't make have that amazing feeling like the rest of the movie.

Human No More 09-14-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISV Venture Star (Post 94515)
Me too. I would happily watch a 6 hour+ film that was just the 3 months that Jake spent learning the ways of the Omaticaya from Neytiri and recording observations in the shack with Grace and Norm, all culminating in the night at the Tree of Voices.

I would definitely watch that too... But really, it would only show one side of the Na'vi.
Need to get those ayskxawng off Pandora anyway :war:


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:49 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
All images and clips of Avatar are the exclusive property of 20th Century Fox.