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LOVEavatar 12-29-2011 10:28 AM

Didn't answer my question but nvm.

Fan Lizard 12-29-2011 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LOVEavatar (Post 166177)
Didn't answer my question but nvm.

Ahah oh my God, I'm sorry, I don't speak english very well...maybe i didn't get what you meant :embarrassed:

Human No More 12-31-2011 01:36 AM

The meaning was that you shouldn't have to say 'I love it and I'm a girl'; because female gamers aren't as rare as they are stereotyped as being. Of course, it's great to be proud of being one :P

Fan Lizard 12-31-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 166227)
The meaning was that you shouldn't have to say 'I love it and I'm a girl'; because female gamers aren't as rare as they are stereotyped as being. Of course, it's great to be proud of being one :P

Ooh, thank you human no more, I really didn't get it :xD: yeah, i'm realizing how many female gamers there are in the world...but i referred more to the genre of the game (maybe the sci-fi is not often a female interest) than to the fact that a girl can love videogames, in general :awesome:

Crickett 01-10-2012 07:31 AM

Finally finished ME1 and ME2. Ready for ME3. Sadly, I forgot to do the bring de sky DLC as the Galactic News in ME2 had to constantly remind me. I didn't do the ME2 DLC's yet though. I should remember to do that.

It took me a couple of tries because the reaper IFF kept going off too early.

First time I found legion too early and it the reaper IFF went off before I could finish the loyalty missions. So I went to a save 5 hours earlier, did all of the loyalty missions, listened to Liara's passive aggressive ME2 attitude, found Legion and before I could even activate him, the IFF went off AGAIN. So I went back and for some reason despite going back only 5 minutes, it allowed me to activate Legion AND do his loyalty mission. I didn't have enough resources to activate all of the research I had, but I decided close enough and went and destroyed the collector base.

And since I sent Tali back with the gallant crew, everyone survived first try through the Omega 4 relay. Even the crew.

Even though I own it, I still never activated Zaeed's DLC. Simple reason that having seen the gameplay and cutscenes involving Zaeed on youtube, he'd get left on that planet.

Someone I don't hear about very much and had apparently forgotten myself is how much better the autosave function is in ME2 than ME1. In ME1, when I died, I'd end up back at the start of the mission, so I had to save my game over 200 times. In ME2, I'd be surprised if I saved even 80 times because if I died, it sent me back maybe a minute or two behind where I was when I died.

Human No More 01-10-2012 12:55 PM

Wait, why restart then? The series of events is only put into motion once you complete the Reaper IFF mission, not get it - only do it when everything else is done, but it doesn't matter at all how long it's been available. I don't think it's even possible to complete all the normal missions before it becomes available.

neytirifanboy 01-10-2012 06:18 PM

I'm looking forward to ME3 too. In fact I just got my female Sentinel to level 60 for ME2.

ME is the best game of all time in my view. One of the few games I still play. There are few other games with the same passion and life for me.

Because I now know how the final mission works, I have begun mixing it up using dice to select which suqd members will do missions.

I have a couple of characters with 100% survival. But I want to see what happens when not everyone survives. in one renegade playthroughonly four survived.

Using an non-loyal squad member can result in a different squad member dying. I used Samara for the biotic field mission, but because she wasn't loyal, Jack was killed even though she was loyal.

Crickett 01-10-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 166949)
Wait, why restart then? The series of events is only put into motion once you complete the Reaper IFF mission, not get it - only do it when everything else is done, but it doesn't matter at all how long it's been available. I don't think it's even possible to complete all the normal missions before it becomes available.


I should clarify when I say the IFF went off, I'm referring to the part where everyone gets in the shuttle to go nowhere in particular and the Collectors are alerted to the Normandy's location. Once that happens, you need to go through the Omega 4 relay IMMEDIATELY or the only survivor of the captured crew will be the doctor (I learned this from my first ME2 play-through back in the day).

Once the Omega 4 mission activates, if you haven't done everything, you've sort of faced with an impossible choice if you want everybody to get back alive.

Either some of your team won't make it back because you haven't done their loyalty missions or if you do those after your crew is captured, you see your crew get liquified instead of the colonists.




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Originally Posted by neytirifanboy (Post 166966)
Because I now know how the final mission works, I have begun mixing it up using dice to select which suqd members will do missions.

I make Kasumi go through the pipes to open up the doors because, I find Kasumi to be largely useless and I'd be much less upset to lose Kasumi than Tali.

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Originally Posted by neytirifanboy (Post 166966)
I have a couple of characters with 100% survival. But I want to see what happens when not everyone survives. in one renegade playthroughonly four survived.

Then they're not available afterward or in ME3.

Also, if NOBODY survives, then neither will Shepard and the game will end and not be importable to ME3.

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Originally Posted by neytirifanboy (Post 166966)
Using an non-loyal squad member can result in a different squad member dying. I used Samara for the biotic field mission, but because she wasn't loyal, Jack was killed even though she was loyal.

Same thing happens if you use a biotic who isn't a loyal Samara or a loyal Jack for that mission. Miranda volunteers, but if you use her as your biotic, someone dies. Even if she's loyal.


So far as I know, here's how people die in ME2.

If you don't have upgraded shields, someone dies.
If you don't have upgraded armor, someone dies.
If you don't have upgraded weapons, someone dies.
If you use someone who isn't enough of a tech expert (meaning Kasumi or Tali) to go through the pipes, they die (I think).
If you don't use loyal Samara or loyal Jack as your biotic, someone dies.
If your second team leaders aren't loyal, they die.
If you don't have enough people holding the rear guard when you go kill the human reaper, I think they all die. I could be wrong about that. Helps if they're not loyal. Also it apparently helps if you don't send people who are trained soldiers like Garrus or Legion with the second team. I say that because on my first playthrough, everyone was loyal and everyone survived until the last part of the mission but for some reason Tali died there anyway. I still don't know why. I sent Tali back to the ship with the crew from then on.

I don't think you can send an escort with the crew. I've heard they'll survive even if they're not loyal, but I haven't tried it out.

Oh, and as I have mentioned before, you have to wait to go through the Omega 4 relay or the crew will survive.

If you do these steps correctly, the only living person on the busted up Normandy should be a very depressed Joker.

neytirifanboy 01-11-2012 08:33 PM

I actually quite like Kasumi.

I realise that if people die they wont be in ME3. I just want to see if the game experience changes, if at all, by not having everyone there. But I am not trying to necessarily survive with the minimum number of squad members, although I am sure others will try this.

Also, by using dice, I just like to make the outcome a bit more unpredictable. Although each Shepard will have certain squad members he/she will try to keep alive.

Crickett 01-11-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by neytirifanboy (Post 167036)
I actually quite like Kasumi.

I have nothing against the character, but, well, one of her comments was about not much use for a thief on a starship. I found there wasn't much use for a thief anywhere else other than her own loyalty mission.

It's not like Zaeed where I don't like the character, I just find her to be relatively useless.

neytirifanboy 01-12-2012 06:18 PM

You make a good point about Kasumi. But in the end it is Cerberus who came up with the list. You either accept her or you don't. I quite like her and I find her fun to use in combat with her back-stab ability. In the end, we should all play the game in the way that is most fun for us.

Then main gripe I have about Kasumi is that you can't have a proper conversation with her like other squad members. That is DLC for you.

Zaeed is a different matter. Whether I like Zaeed or not depends on whether my Shep of the moment thinks ruthless killers are useful or not.

Human No More 01-12-2012 11:47 PM

Yeah, I don't like Zaeed... Kasumi is good though. Really though, the only DLC I feel was worthwhile was the Shadow Broker one. Liara <3 :)

Crickett 02-14-2012 07:50 PM

The Mass Effect 3 demo is out on Xbox live TODAY.

prowler 02-14-2012 09:47 PM

Mass Effect 3: Five Plots Worth Exploring (contains ME2 spoilers)
 
As much as i like to play the demo i will pass... Don't want spoliers :/

Crickett 02-15-2012 08:01 PM

One thing I will say, not spoiling anything about the story. Throughout ME1 and ME2 I played the soldier class. Why? Because I decided the most effective way to deal with evil aliens bent on destroying all biological life in the galaxy..... was to shoot them repeatedly. Actually, I found incinerate in ME2 was awesome..... but that's why I brought Mordin along. But I can try out each class without having to use my ME1/ME 2 profile to do it.


One other thing I will also mention. I much preferred the grenades in ME1 and the power weapons in ME2 then the ME3 grenades. At least so far.

Crickett 02-20-2012 08:07 PM

The multiplayer portion of the demo has been activated.

TxonTirea 02-24-2012 01:13 PM

I wonder if the latest Day 1 DLC for ME3 is up for discussion here. Because it's retarded.

Crickett 02-24-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 169662)
I wonder if the latest Day 1 DLC for ME3 is up for discussion here. Because it's retarded.

Day 1 DLC on a conceptual level is terrible.

TxonTirea 02-25-2012 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Crickett (Post 169669)
Day 1 DLC on a conceptual level is terrible.

Yes, yes it is. But have you heard what BiowEAr are doing?

Crickett 02-25-2012 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 169680)
Yes, yes it is. But have you heard what BiowEAr are doing?

No. Im kinda afraid to hear what it is in truth. :(

TxonTirea 02-25-2012 01:11 AM

Well, if you want to see what it is, I'll DM you it, I can't get spoiler tags to work.

Human No More 02-25-2012 02:14 AM

I'm not even buying ME3. Day 1 DLC is a travesty, paid DLC in general is almost as bad, but forcing the use of Origin is completely crapping on their loyal playerbase at a level normally reserved for Sony or Ubisoft.

TxonTirea 02-25-2012 02:40 AM

So, Yarr yarr?

Isard 02-25-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 169692)
I'm not even buying ME3. Day 1 DLC is a travesty, paid DLC in general is almost as bad, but forcing the use of Origin is completely crapping on their loyal playerbase at a level normally reserved for Sony or Ubisoft.



/v/ drone detected. Commencing common sense.


http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

TxonTirea 02-25-2012 09:10 AM

I think it's a good time to drop out of this thread now, before it turns into a petty bull**** argument. I can see that coming.

Nevertheless, you've just stated your entire opinion through a pretty graph, but that doesn't change what it is, an opinion. There is no right and wrong in this, there is only opinion. If enough people are of the opinion that this Day 1 DLC is bad, and by enough, I mean a majority of consumers. They will speak with their wallet, and Bioware and EA will have to comply, much like they did with Battlefield 3.

If, on the other hand, there isn't a large majority who feel it is wrong, and everyone buys the game anyway, then they will not change it. It is simply a matter of which side is larger, and which side speaks with their wallet. So, really, I wish people would stop arguing about it. Really, what does one side gain from trying to convert the other side over the their point of view? But there, we have that problem with pretty much everything now-a-days.

/end

Edit: https://www.facebook.com/cynicalbrit...33028400072644

Crickett 02-25-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 169704)
/v/ drone detected. Commencing common sense.


http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

IMO, people tend to view Day 1 DLC as something that was part of the game, but was removed so they could charge for it separately and gauge the customer.

DLC has become an accepted part of gaming. Day 1 DLC is a continuation of the concerns people had regarding DLC in the first place. That they would be getting an unfinished game that they would have to pay extra for the full experience.

Am I going to buy it? Yep. Maybe when it goes on sale, but I'm definitely going to. But I still think Day 1 DLC is BS.


On to something a little less divisive.... I never really used it much in prior Mass Effect games, but was stasis always that overpowered as it is in the multiplayer demo?

With few exceptions: stasis = team target practice. Especially when you consider how fast the recharge times are for Asari adepts.

TxonTirea 02-25-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Crickett (Post 169712)
IMO, people tend to view Day 1 DLC as something that was part of the game, but was removed so they could charge for it separately and gauge the customer.

DLC has become an accepted part of gaming. Day 1 DLC is a continuation of the concerns people had regarding DLC in the first place. That they would be getting an unfinished game that they would have to pay extra for the full experience.

Am I going to buy it? Yep. Maybe when it goes on sale, but I'm definitely going to. But I still think Day 1 DLC is BS.


On to something a little less divisive.... I never really used it much in prior Mass Effect games, but was stasis always that overpowered as it is in the multiplayer demo?

With few exceptions: stasis = team target practice. Especially when you consider how fast the recharge times are for Asari adepts.

I wouldn't know about the multiplayer statis, as I barely played it. I played one game to get the gist of how it felt and then really, I was pretty bored. (I got early access.) :3

Human No More 02-25-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 169704)
/v/ drone detected. Commencing common sense.


http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

/v/ is nearly as fail as your EA fanboyism and ad hominem. For a company the size of bioware, the above doesn't even apply, especially since, as you failed to point out, software doesn't go off, there's no limit on release.

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 169711)
Nevertheless, you've just stated your entire opinion through a pretty graph, but that doesn't change what it is, an opinion. There is no right and wrong in this, there is only opinion. If enough people are of the opinion that this Day 1 DLC is bad, and by enough, I mean a majority of consumers. They will speak with their wallet, and Bioware and EA will have to comply, much like they did with Battlefield 3.

If, on the other hand, there isn't a large majority who feel it is wrong, and everyone buys the game anyway, then they will not change it. It is simply a matter of which side is larger, and which side speaks with their wallet. So, really, I wish people would stop arguing about it. Really, what does one side gain from trying to convert the other side over the their point of view? But there, we have that problem with pretty much everything now-a-days.

Exactly. That is why I'm not buying ME3, and not because of an imageboard I don't even read or like.

Cyvaris 02-26-2012 03:37 AM

@Day 1 DLC, this is the reason I buy the Collector's Edition!

Isard 02-26-2012 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 169747)
/v/ is nearly as fail as your EA fanboyism and ad hominem. For a company the size of bioware, the above doesn't even apply, especially since, as you failed to point out, software doesn't go off, there's no limit on release.


Exactly. That is why I'm not buying ME3, and not because of an imageboard I don't even read or like.



Dodging the question?


Dismissing the arguments without rebuttal?


Attacks against the poster?


Yep. He's been absorbed by the hive mind.


EDIT: And everybody knows that even with the hardcore /v/ block (/v/ is everywhere, and they're the ones pushing the anti-EA circlejerk) boycotting the game, ME3 is going to be the best seller of the entire series. In fact, the only game that may outsell it in 2012 is Guild Wars 2.


Cyvaris: I was going to reorder a collectors' edition as well, but I place my preorder during the "get a free copy of BF3" promotion, and I don't want to lose a free 60$ game over :10bux:

Cyvaris 02-26-2012 08:17 PM

^And now they took back the "Get a game free" deal so....

Isard 02-27-2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 169804)
^And now they took back the "Get a game free" deal so....

Yeah, so if I reorder I lose my free BF3.

Crickett 03-08-2012 07:38 PM

To anyone who finished ME3, if you didn't understand what my concerns regarding Avatar 2 are, you should now.

Human No More 03-08-2012 11:51 PM

I didn't think it was even out yet...

Isard 03-09-2012 02:30 AM

It is absolutely amazing.


I am near speechless.

Crickett 03-09-2012 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170501)
It is absolutely amazing.


I am near speechless.

Did you finish it?

I'll put it to you this way.

On bioware's social network site, there are a bunch of polls, here they are.


Mass Effect 3 was...
Created on 2012-03-08 31 votes, 4 comments, 65 views
Awesome!
6%(2 votes)

Superb right up until the supbar ending.
68%(21 votes)

Decent
13%(4 votes)

Poor
3%(1 votes)

Atrocious
3%(1 votes)

(I haven't played it)
6%(2 votes)


Did Bioware lose it's creativity in ME3's finale?


Yes
33%(8 votes)

No
17%(4 votes)

I didn't like the ending, but that doesn't mean it's not creative...
21%(5 votes)

(I haven't played the game)
0%(0 votes)

Yes, branching endings make sense in the finale for a choice-based game!
29%(7 votes)


Mass Effect 3 Ending

Pretty good
2%(1 votes)

Good but confusing and should have more details as to what happened.
7%(3 votes)

Bad, plain and simple
12%(5 votes)

Bad and it just does not make sense
7%(3 votes)

Wasn't as expected
10%(4 votes)

Did not feel that my choices mattered anyways and that playing ME1 & ME2 felt like a waste of good storytelling.
62%(26 votes)


Now, because I pre-ordered the game, I've already bought it. I've paid my money and there's nothing I can do about it now. But to those of you who haven't, look at the polls, look at the votes and really think if you want to get this game.


On Metacritic, ME3 has a critic rating of 9.5 out of 10. It has a user rating of FIVE (yes, 5) out of ten.

Isard 03-09-2012 07:49 AM

The BSN is an absolute cesspit.

Crickett 03-09-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170524)
The BSN is an absolute cesspit.


......

Granted, I only went there yesterday, so my time there is limited and I don't have a long context of the kinds of people who post there, but based on what I saw yesterday, the conclusion I have come to is this.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1260739585.jpg


I'll re-ask my original question though Isard, did you finish the game or see how the game ends on youtube?

Isard 03-09-2012 08:21 PM

BSN, is, a, cesspit. Bioware could say the sky is blue and they'd rage and argue how wrong Bioware is.

Apollo 03-10-2012 07:12 PM

Beat ME3 just for Tali. It was worth it. Totally worth it.


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