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prowler 03-10-2012 08:00 PM

Mass Effect 3: Five Plots Worth Exploring (contains ME2 spoilers)
 
^
that :)

Totally worth it..

Human No More 03-11-2012 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170524)
The BSN is an absolute cesspit.

I'd say that from my perception of the staff there when people have legitimate concerns about how things are being done from Origin to removing and then charging for intended parts of the game, which are unacceptable in a game that actually costs money for the game itself as well.

Isard 03-11-2012 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 170611)
I'd say that from my perception of the staff there when people have legitimate concerns about how things are being done from Origin to removing and then charging for intended parts of the game, which are unacceptable in a game that actually costs money for the game itself as well.

Might want to edit that because I couldn't understand your point.



BSN doesn't actually have a real moderation staff. It has two to three people who take time out of their normal jobs to try and moderate.

Advent 03-11-2012 07:50 AM

Being my usual spoiler-loving self, I watched the alleged horrible endings for ME3.

All I can say is, I feel like I did after watching the ending of an anime I saw before, Wolf's Rain. Rather confused, and relatively troubled. And also angered at the, IMO, poor use of such an action build up.

Not sure if worth buying at the current price.

Apollo 03-11-2012 12:27 PM

After playing this game, I've never felt more alive, complete, and sad all at the same time.

I really do hope this isn't an end to the series. Even though the game allowed you to look into questions that you needed answered. I watched all the way through the credits at the end, I hope what they displayed wasn't a farewell message.

I'm a mess ladies and gentlemen.

TxonTirea 03-11-2012 11:05 PM

The endings. What a way to ruin a game. Can't stand them, I think it makes the entirety of ME1/2 pointless.

So sad right now...so...very sad.

Human No More 03-12-2012 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170637)
Might want to edit that because I couldn't understand your point.



BSN doesn't actually have a real moderation staff. It has two to three people who take time out of their normal jobs to try and moderate.

Meh, can't say I've particpated much (i.e. only ever read links there, not even really lurked), but that's just the impression I've got from it whenever I've followed a link there. Case in point.

Advent 03-12-2012 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Apollo (Post 170647)
I'm a mess ladies and gentlemen.

I think most of us on this thread know that feeling. :/

Cyvaris 03-12-2012 02:32 AM

Pokes head up from hole in ground...so are we continuing the circle jerk of hate from Reddit and /V about how Bioware is EVIL for its Day one DLC and horrible ending? If so I'm going back in my bunker, I have cake to share if people wish to join me.

Advent 03-12-2012 02:35 AM

I'm not sure we all think Bioware is necessarily evil, but the whole thing could've been executed much better. ME1 and 2 were excellent games, and there's no reason 3 couldn't have been even better.

IMO, the ending is its own masterpiece, but that doesn't mean the market will like it.

TxonTirea 03-12-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 170683)
Pokes head up from hole in ground...so are we continuing the circle jerk of hate from Reddit and /V about how Bioware is EVIL for its Day one DLC and horrible ending? If so I'm going back in my bunker, I have cake to share if people wish to join me.

Lol...

Isard 03-13-2012 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Advent (Post 170684)
I'm not sure we all think Bioware is necessarily evil, but the whole thing could've been executed much better. ME1 and 2 were excellent games, and there's no reason 3 couldn't have been even better.

IMO, the ending is its own masterpiece, but that doesn't mean the market will like it.

Having that ending be one option of SEVERAL would have made it a masterpiece.


But the same god damned thing for every one?


That's just dumb. I want to know what the **** happened. The quality of the game assets changed dramatically in those last 10 minutes, it looks rushed. What happened bioware? (although I wouldn't blame them for not saying, considering how many *******d have been splurging about how terrible a company they are because they didn't get their DLC for free! (whaaambluance incoming))

Helicoradian 03-13-2012 08:32 AM

Despite how terrible and half-assed the endings are, the rest of the game is actually...pretty good. Mass Effect 2 will still be the best of the series though.

Isard 03-13-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Helicoradian (Post 170723)
Despite how terrible and half-assed the endings are, the rest of the game is actually...pretty good. Mass Effect 2 will still be the best of the series though.

wat


Even with its terrible last 10 minutes, ME3 successfully bridged the storytelling of ME with the flowing combat and free roaming feel of ME2.

TxonTirea 03-13-2012 06:17 PM

Also, you guys must have seen the Tali face ****.

I've just seen this, and I can honestly say that Bioware must have sold it's frigging soul. That is absolutely insulting.

Isard 03-13-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170738)
Also, you guys must have seen the Tali face ****.

I've just seen this, and I can honestly say that Bioware must have sold it's frigging soul. That is absolutely insulting.

As I said.


It looks like they hit a deadline and had to scramble to meet it.

TxonTirea 03-13-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170739)
As I said.


It looks like they hit a deadline and had to scramble to meet it.

I would've much rather they delayed it for 5 more months and got everything perfect. I adored every second up to the last 10 minutes. In the last 10 minutes they managed to ruin 100 hours worth of playtime.

How this possibru?!

Human No More 03-13-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170738)
Also, you guys must have seen the Tali face ****.

I've just seen this, and I can honestly say that Bioware must have sold it's frigging soul. That is absolutely insulting.

I haven't seen it yet, but I heard :(

I've avoided specific details of the endings, but form clues in general, I'd say it sounds like they just stopped caring, since Mass Effect is done now, no more money from it (even if there WAS another game, it'd make a lot less between this, origin and the DLC mess).

Crickett 03-13-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 170717)
Having that ending be one option of SEVERAL would have made it a masterpiece.


But the same god damned thing for every one?

My first thought after reading this given the discussion we had earlier on.







I do not like Day 1 DLC for the reasons I gave earlier, but I bought the collectors edition, and for Mass Effect, I was willing to pay extra (hence I got the collectors edition).

But the ending. It was a tire iron to everything that is Mass Effect IMO.

TxonTirea 03-13-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 170745)
I haven't seen it yet, but I heard :(

I've avoided specific details of the endings, but form clues in general, Id say it sounds like they just stopped caring, since Mass Effect is done now, no more money from it (even if there WAS another game, it'd make a lot less between this, origin and the DLC mess).

You're going to flip a table when you see it.

Oh...my god.

Crickett 03-14-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170767)
You're going to flip a table when you see it.

Oh...my god.

Going back to my original statement on the issue, this is what I'm afraid of for Avatar. Mass Effect 1 is a masterpiece. Mass Effect 2 is a masterpiece. MOST of Mass Effect 3 is a masterpiece.

But in the end, it was all ruined.


I'm afraid something is going to happen to ruin the Avatar franchise in this fashion. Because as good as James Cameron is with sequels.....

http://images.wikia.com/masseffect/i...lboxartME2.jpg

So was Bioware.

Isard 03-14-2012 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 170745)
I haven't seen it yet, but I heard :(

I've avoided specific details of the endings, but form clues in general, Id say it sounds like they just stopped caring, since Mass Effect is done now, no more money from it (even if there WAS another game, it'd make a lot less between this, origin and the DLC mess).

Not really. I'd buy another ME game. Everything except those last 10 minutes was absolutely amazing. Its an incredible game. 10/10 without a doubt. Except those 10 minutes.

TxonTirea 03-14-2012 01:32 AM

Bunch of theories about Ending DLC and all this stuff flying around. Bioware is denying nothing, keeps teasing people via tweets. -shrug-

I'll probably buy it.

Crickett 03-14-2012 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170778)
Bunch of theories about Ending DLC and all this stuff flying around. Bioware is denying nothing, keeps teasing people via tweets. -shrug-

I'll probably buy it.

I'll wait until someone lets me know if Bioware pulls a Dallas with the last 10 minutes. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing how I would buy it. And mind you, I've purchased *EVERY* DLC that didn't actually come with the game. Even the training stage DLC in Mass Effect 1, which yeah, is a bit pointless, but I don't regret buying it.


On the plus side, if you play as an Asari Adept or Asari Vanguard in the multiplayer, stasis bubble is just made of win. Absolute biotic win. I haven't unlocked Asari Adept like I did in the demo, but I unlocked Asari Vanguard, so I've gotten back in the habit of Stasis sniping everything to death (especially Cerberus with their nice large humanoid heads). Does anyone know if the level 20 cap is still in the game? I hope not.

So far the characters I have unlocked with names are....


Male Human Adept - Kyle Rayner (I was a Green Lantern fan)
Drell Adept - Thane Krios
Male Human Soldier - Jake Sully
Male Human Engineer - Geordi LaForge
Male Human Infiltrator - James Bond
Drell Vanguard - Prawn
Asari Vanguard -Ninet


I'm not sure I'm ever going to use the Sentinel class. It's the only character class in the multiplayer I absolutely do not like.

Isard 03-14-2012 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Crickett (Post 170785)
I'll wait until someone lets me know if Bioware pulls a Dallas with the last 10 minutes. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing how I would buy it. And mind you, I've purchased *EVERY* DLC that didn't actually come with the game. Even the training stage DLC in Mass Effect 1, which yeah, is a bit pointless, but I don't regret buying it.


On the plus side, if you play as an Asari Adept or Asari Vanguard in the multiplayer, stasis bubble is just made of win. Absolute biotic win. I haven't unlocked Asari Adept like I did in the demo, but I unlocked Asari Vanguard, so I've gotten back in the habit of Stasis sniping everything to death (especially Cerberus with their nice large humanoid heads). Does anyone know if the level 20 cap is still in the game? I hope not.

So far the characters I have unlocked with names are....


Male Human Adept - Kyle Rayner (I was a Green Lantern fan)
Drell Adept - Thane Krios
Male Human Soldier - Jake Sully
Male Human Engineer - Geordi LaForge
Male Human Infiltrator - James Bond
Drell Vanguard - Prawn
Asari Vanguard -Ninet


I'm not sure I'm ever going to use the Sentinel class. It's the only character class in the multiplayer I absolutely do not like.

Human engineer is so god damned OP. Step 1, drone. Step two, shock it till its in armor, step 3 burn it till its dead. The recharge time is ridiculously low, and at higher levels it eats through almost anything.

Apollo 03-15-2012 01:40 PM

I'm quite ok with seeing Tali's face. It was beyond my expectations, but really, I didn't care what her face looked like. I get this feeling some people liked her because she has the aura of a teddy bear around her. I liked her because she was so mysterious, omgz smart, interesting physiology, and so much more. In a nutshell, curiosity.

She actually looks like Zoe come to think of it. She's just as beautiful without the mask than with one.
This is her. Spoiler alert.

Human No More 03-15-2012 10:38 PM

Does she look like I imagined? Really, no. Is it absolutely terrible on the same magnitude as the DLC ripoff or the crap ending? I don't think so, even if it isn't amazing. I'm far more annoyed about the DLC and the stupidly awful ending.
Edit: The fact that it's a free stock photo does make it worse... Couldn't they even create any art for it, or were they too busy cutting out finished game assets to charge for?

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170778)
Bunch of theories about Ending DLC and all this stuff flying around. Bioware is denying nothing, keeps teasing people via tweets. -shrug-

I'll probably buy it.

There's no way I would. Encouraging companies to release something unfinished and charging for what should have been there in the first place is a bad idea. As was pointed out on IRC, Skyrim's latest patch is adding new features, for free. If they end up charging for something, it'll be a full expansion and not just a couple of extra weapons that took all of a day to make, or a character that was included in the normal install but just commented out in a config file so they could extort $10 from players for it. It's sad really, BioWare used to have my respect (even if it did take them ages to release ME1 for a decent platform), as they made two great games, but EA have ruined them.

Cyvaris 03-15-2012 11:12 PM

Goddam Tali falls down the uncanny Valley....seriously that is just creepy. She is just human enough to be sort of attractive, then you look at the hands. I really wish she was more alien.

Human No More 03-16-2012 12:19 AM

Hmm, I think the whole 'uncanny valley' idea is crap, probably perpetuated by advocates of old-style animation - sure, she isn't amazing, but doesn't look fake per se - just like a photoshopped human, which is what it is. Yes, that makes the image look weird, but not seem fake. That said, the hand is the worst part of it, since they didn't even fully delete the extra fingers, leaving a weird bit on the side, when it wouldn't have taken much more effort to move them over to be properly centred - although really, it would have been easier and given better results to create some art for it.


TxonTirea 03-16-2012 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Apollo (Post 170854)
I'm quite ok with seeing Tali's face. It was beyond my expectations, but really, I didn't care what her face looked like. I get this feeling some people liked her because she has the aura of a teddy bear around her. I liked her because she was so mysterious, omgz smart, interesting physiology, and so much more. In a nutshell, curiosity.

She actually looks like Zoe come to think of it. She's just as beautiful without the mask than with one.
This is her. Spoiler alert.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about how she looks. I care that it's a stock photo, poorly photoshopped and rushed out into the game. Bioware clearly knows this is important to Tali fans, as they've been building the tension for THREE. GAMES. Then they do this? THIS?

Just...wow.

Isard 03-16-2012 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TxonTirea (Post 170867)
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about how she looks. I care that it's a stock photo, poorly photoshopped and rushed out into the game. Bioware clearly knows this is important to Tali fans, as they've been building the tension for THREE. GAMES. Then they do this? THIS?

Just...wow.



As I said.


I smell a deadline.


I want a suit to mount over me fireplace.

Human No More 03-16-2012 09:04 AM

Spoiler: Almost spoiler free criticism of ME3's ending 

Apollo 03-16-2012 02:10 PM

You guys make a point about the photo, but I try not to look any further than the game universe because thinking about the producers, developers, and EA will just create a degree of politics and will ruin the integrity of the game world.

With HnM, that video, that is kind of.. ridiculous. I agree it should be a patch, and not a DLC. If Bioware wants any of their large amount of fans to flock back to the franchise, they will do this for free all the while apologizing for the poorly written segment. Bioware has made the Mass Effects (superb games), The Old Republic (a fine game, its in its infancy as an MMO but I cant seem to find a bad thing about it), KOTOR, and a few others. All of them top notch. This is their second blemish of a game, and I'm confident they'll see it from our point of view. (Dragon Ages - The Reckoning was absolutely terrible).

Crickett 03-17-2012 12:35 AM

I have one question for any of you

As of right now, if there was a Mass Effect 4 whether it be a prequel or a sequel without anyone we have run into before (other than possibly Captain Anderson.... or the Protheans depending how far back the prequel is), would you buy it?

Apollo 03-17-2012 12:43 AM

Bioware has its own edge. They have never failed me thus far.

I would (once the price gets knocked down to 50↓)

Human No More 03-17-2012 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Crickett (Post 170905)
I have one question for any of you

As of right now, if there was a Mass Effect 4 whether it be a prequel or a sequel without anyone we have run into before (other than possibly Captain Anderson.... or the Protheans depending how far back the prequel is), would you buy it?

No.

Not that there really could be >.>, but even so, this whole DLC mess, Origin malware, and bioware's general lack of caring have put me off ever buying another game of theirs, placing them (and EA) on a list with Sony and Ubisoft.

TxonTirea 03-17-2012 02:04 PM

Casey Hudson and BW seem intent on creating Corporate Suicide by making statements that answer nothing, say nothing, and give an insulting and "Wow, the nerds wanted more stuff on their ending?" Vibe to everything.

Cyvaris 03-23-2012 02:10 AM

SO

Indoctrination theory? Yes? No?

Also apparently Gibbed datamined the game and found fragments of code that point to "a child possibly human, possibly asari, possible hybrid" standing with an older adult figure staring at the stars and asking about "grandfather/some distant relative". Also this has a "10,000 years later" label on it. So uhm....more weirdness?


@Txon:After writing this and staring at you signature for awhile....personally I ship Norm/Tsu'tey....what?

TxonTirea 03-23-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 171202)
SO

Indoctrination theory? Yes? No?

Also apparently Gibbed datamined the game and found fragments of code that point to "a child possibly human, possibly asari, possible hybrid" standing with an older adult figure staring at the stars and asking about "grandfather/some distant relative". Also this has a "10,000 years later" label on it. So uhm....more weirdness?


@Txon:After writing this and staring at you signature for awhile....personally I ship Norm/Tsu'tey....what?

No idea whether it's true or not. We'll see on April 7th, but until then, I'll keep talking about the new endings and such. Very excited, and I will be very happy if we get what we paid for.

Norm/Tsu'tey? WAT? Did they even meet? >_> But still, maybe in A/U.

Human No More 03-24-2012 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 171202)
SO

Indoctrination theory? Yes? No?

Yes, although if bioware want us to pay for the privilege of seeing that as canon, they will have completely lost the remaining vestiges of their integrity.

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 171202)
@Txon:After writing this and staring at you signature for awhile....personally I ship Norm/Tsu'tey....what?

...why?
Honestly, I find shipping as a concept in general stupid (especially when people get annoyed when it doesn't happen for real), and related to mary sue-ism and self insert fanfics.


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