Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum - Partly arsenic-based lifeform discovered.

Tree of Souls - An Avatar Community Forum (https://tree-of-souls.net/index.php)

- Science and Technology (https://tree-of-souls.net/forumdisplay.php?f=34)

- - Partly arsenic-based lifeform discovered. (https://tree-of-souls.net/showthread.php?t=3187)

Partly arsenic-based lifeform discovered.

THE TRUTH on the Californian NASA POISON ALIENS
BBC News - Arsenic-loving bacteria may help in hunt for alien life

Very interesting :D

Quote:

The discovery of a previously unknown lifeform in California that lives on arsenic is prompting astrobiologists to broaden their hunt for alien life.

The new bacterium - GFAJ-1, part of the class Gammaproteobacteria, which also includes E.coli - was discovered in samples taken from Mono Lake. The lake is naturally high in arsenic because of its location near the volcanic hotspot of Yosemite National Park.

"We not only hypothesized that biochemical systems analogous to those known today could utilize arsenate in the equivalent biological role as phosphate, but also that such organisms could have evolved on the ancient Earth and might persist in unusual environments today," said Felisa Wolfe-Simon, the lead author of a study appearing in the journal Science Express.

Phosphates are vital to life on Earth, forming the backbone of DNA, for example. Arsenic is so toxic precisely because, being located directly below phosphorus in the periodic table, its chemical behaviour is similar: it is able to disrupt basic processes.

Quote:

The first organism able to substitute one of the six chemical elements crucial to life has been found.

The bacterium, found in a California lake, uses the usually poisonous element arsenic in place of phosphorus.

Until now, the idea has been that life on Earth must be composed of at least the six elements carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, sulphur and phosphorus - no example had ever been found that violates this golden rule of biochemistry.

This... is... epic :D

Just heard about this on the radio, litterally 5 minutes ago.
Hooray for anti-biologic, rule breaking organisms!

Quite amazing. I wonder if we will ever find an organism that completely uses silicon or any other element in place of the norm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefull (Post 114511)

Quite amazing. I wonder if we will ever find an organism that completely uses silicon or any other element in place of the norm.

http://mimg.ugo.com/200912/12234/cut...n2_288x288.jpg

...:awesome:

This is nearly just as amazing a discovery as exterrestrial life.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banefull (Post 114511)

Quite amazing. I wonder if we will ever find an organism that completely uses silicon or any other element in place of the norm.

That's a large part of the significance of this, it shows that it's possible :)

Extraterrestrial life... we're getting close.

This is AWESOME. So, so, so, so VERY cool.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreaming Of Pandora (Post 114601)

Extraterrestrial life... we're getting close.

And if we find some, we'll be so thrilled that we'll take steps not to disturb it...right?

Huh.........

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this means that in the cellular respiration of these microbes, instead of Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP) being the "energy producing" molecule, it would be Adenosine Triarsenate, replacing the Phosphorus in the ATP molecule.

This means that instead of the reaction:

ATP --> ADP + Energy

It would be

ATA --> ADA + Energy

Which is a VERY big deal; it means that amongst organisms that utilize cellular respiration (bacteria, animals, and probably some outliers that I'm forgetting), there are now multiple different kinds of cellular respiration possible, depending on what is being used for the "energy producing" molecule in the reaction.

And therefore, the number of different ways that life can exist and come about has increased, thus increasing the likelihood of finding life on other planets/moons.

The use of arsenic is replacing the phosphates in DNA (the helix structure is composed of phosphate groups with the bases attached) rather than ATP, but otherwise then yes, that's the idea :)

Laws of nature are made to be broken, you know.

:awesome:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes (Post 116047)

Laws of nature are made to be broken, you know.

:awesome:

About laws being broken...

Said to produce 5 times the energy it requires to run. I guess it won't do much if this is more physics than biology *referring to topic* :p

But some laws are to be rewritten they say if this shows up to be true after real scientists get their hands on it. Thought I could throw this in here :)

Perpetual motion is at best people being gullible, at worst a scam to trick people out of their money. You can not avoid the laws of thermodynamics.