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Marvellous Chester 12-11-2010 11:27 AM

Chinese Fur Farming
 
Hi people. I do not make many threads but I recently found something that made me sick to my very soul - Chinese fur farming.

I stumbled across this site which explains these places and shows a video of the stuff that goes on there. It is a real nightmare for the animals, they are beaten, stood on, often skinned alive because little effort is made to kill them. I've never been so disgusted by my own kind in all my life.

BE WARNED - THE VIDEO ON THIS SITE SHOWS EXTREME CRUELTY AND LEVELS OF BRUTALITY
A Shocking Look Inside Chinese Fur Farms | PETA.org

Needless to say, I wish nothing but pain and suffering on these farmers. For the good of these innocent animals please spread this about the internet. Tell everyone you know, show them the video, make them as outraged as I am now. Do anythign you can, donate to PETA, refuse to buy fur. This industry must be brought low.

Thank you

ZenitYerkes 12-11-2010 01:36 PM

That's sick.

And I'd better not say anything else not to overload the **** censor. But I seriously mean every letter of the word "sick".

Fosus 12-11-2010 02:01 PM

No words can describe this. I'm crying here after seeing only the first ten seconds before closing the tab in an adrenaline rush.

I can't imagine worse cruelty. Of all the **** my eyes have witnessed this video is the worst. (even though I only saw the beginning) :'(

Isard 12-11-2010 06:42 PM

China <------ This is the problem here.

SaphirJD 12-11-2010 06:51 PM

That is horrible... This are no humans.. this are only a bunch of cruel monsters... if someone really should be beaten.. then this unworthy Creatures...

Just horrible sad and painful to watch what they do with those animals... disgusting and shocking...

ZenitYerkes 12-11-2010 07:05 PM

Yeah, but those people would kill for having a cup of rice. And they do.

Isard 12-11-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes (Post 116646)
Yeah, but those people would kill for having a cup of rice. And they do.

Don't ya just love communism?

ZenitYerkes 12-11-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116647)
Don't ya just love communism?

Don't ya just love international liberalism?

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116647)
Don't ya just love communism?

Don't ya just love corporatism? Better learn to, it's the way of the future!

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...rporatism2.jpg

As for the video, I've seen it before, and hell will freeze over before I see it again. :'( I think an-eye-for-an-eye would come in handy, here...

Isard 12-11-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 116665)
Don't ya just love unbridled, predatory capitalism?

considering a majority of our population eats regularly, can't complain compared to the alternative.


Original post btw.

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116668)
considering a majority of our population eats regularly, can't complain compared to the alternative.


Original post btw.

So does Europe's.

Isard 12-11-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 116670)
So does Europe's.

Europe's economies are also about to fall over.

UK... Greece... hmm?

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 08:27 PM

I'm thinking more like Germany or France. They keep big business in it's place.

UK is America Jr, and Greece was screwed over by Goldman Sachs.

Isard 12-11-2010 08:31 PM

Yet China and the US still have the most powerful economies. And a few European Economies (those that haven't managed to completely failscade yet) bring up the rear. Real winners there.

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 08:35 PM

I would take sustainability over power any day. Having a powerful economy doesn't change the fact that they each have millions of people living in poverty.

But that's just me, I don't have the level of sociopathy it takes to be a politician.

Isard 12-11-2010 08:43 PM

http://www.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&...%25|6%25|12%25
German unemployment -- 7.2%

http://www.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&...%25|5%25|10%25
French unemployment -- 10%

http://www.google.com/chart?cht=lxy&...%25|6%25|12%25
US unemployment -- 9%

Pkay, US has 3% more unemployment than German, 1% less than france, and a GDP larger than France and Germany combined. Successful economy is successful.

Next argument please.

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 08:46 PM

Like I said, I put humanitarianism over power. I don't care how big the GDP is as long as the populace is fed and healthy.

Which is why the corporate-state would never let me get elected.

Isard 12-11-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 116698)
Like I said, I put humanitarianism over power. I don't care how big the GDP is as long as the populace is fed and healthy.

Which is why the corporate-state would never let me get elected.


Then France must be a hellhole, because it has more unemployed than the US. Hooray.

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 08:50 PM

But not Germany. :rolleyes:

And at least the French take care of their unemployed (which it can do, because it hasn't war'd it's way into trillions of dollars of debt at the hands of the military-industrial complex).

Isard 12-11-2010 08:52 PM

Care to back that up in any way?

Human No More 12-11-2010 09:12 PM

Firstly, I'll say that's PETA (the same hypocritical organisation who kill thousands of animals and their leader uses animal experimentation-developed insulin while claiming any use of animals is 100% wrong), so probably hugely exaggerated. That said, I still don't like it, animals at least have the right to a full and happy life first :(

Isard 12-11-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 116715)
Firstly, I'll say that's PETA (the same hypocritical organisation who kill thousands of animals and their leader uses animal experimentation-developed insulin while claiming any use of animals is 100% wrong), so probably hugely exaggerated. That said, I still don't like it, animals at least have the right to a full and happy life first :(



I was not aware of that insulin thing. Link?

Tsyal Makto 12-11-2010 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116708)
Care to back that up in any way?

Why don't you go ask a French person yourself? Or better yet, why not tell them you're going to try and take their benefits away, and watch them riot in the street. I'm sure you saw it yourself on the news a few months ago. Trust me, they're well taken care of.

Or you could just watch SiCKO. Whatever makes you feel better.

ISV Venture Star 12-12-2010 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116647)
Don't ya just love communism?


China hasn't been truly communist since about 1978. The state as it is now combines the worst aspects of communist state control with the horrors of predatory 'f*ck you I've got mine' capitalism.

The awful part is that it's financially successful. Is this the model of our future?

Human No More 12-12-2010 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116716)
I was not aware of that insulin thing. Link?

Hyperbolic Hypocrisy

A few more interesting points on that page as well.

Isard 12-12-2010 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 116750)
Why don't you go ask a French person yourself? Or better yet, why not tell them you're going to try and take their benefits away, and watch them riot in the street. I'm sure you saw it yourself on the news a few months ago. Trust me, they're well taken care of.

Or you could just watch SiCKO. Whatever makes you feel better.

I'll take that as a no.



And yes, I know China isn't true communist anymore. Like every other communist nation in history, they gravitated away rapidly from the ideal state to something even worse.

Tsyal Makto 12-12-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 116825)
I'll take that as a no.

What exactly do you want?:hmm:

Here.
Here.

That's some footage of people protesting austerity.

What exactly do you want me to show you to prove that the French people are happy with their system? What source will live up to your standards? How about this? This is CBS, is that good enough for you?!:rolleyes:

How 'bout some Bill Maher?

Honestly, must you be so damn picky?:hmm:

Isard 12-12-2010 07:04 AM

I'm not picky, but you linked absolutely nothing earlier.

"Ask some French people"

That is not evidence. You've learned something tonight "Link or it didn't happen". Remember that next time please.

Tsyal Makto 12-12-2010 07:15 AM

Whatever.

I'll be in France in March anyway. Do you want me to ask one for you? :rolleyes:

zongtseng 12-12-2010 09:53 PM

I'm not going to watch the video, I just... can't. I'm sure I know what's in it. All it will do is set off an incredible rage that I can do nothing about. A lot of cultures do appalling things to animals, but China is certainly way up there at the top. Wow do I hate people sometimes (OK, a lot of the time).

Advent 12-13-2010 10:27 AM

I believe I was one of the few who watched the full video, and well... geez. I knew you could get served pork or chicken or beef or dog or cat in China, and know exactly how it was made, but that's quite over the limit.

That's the Chinese work ethic for you, not to be racist. Maximum profit for the least amount of work and cost. Therefore, they see the animals and think "take fur; they'll die by themselves."

What sickens me the most, is that they possess knives and other sharp tools, and don't even bother to take a few seconds to euthanize the animal.

rapunzel77 12-13-2010 09:35 PM

I don't think I need to see the video. It might be exaggerated based on the source (ie. PETA) however, I'm not surprised either. China isn't nice to its own people and they have been cited for numerous human rights violations so it is no surprise that they will treat animals just as bad. If this video is true then this is another to add to the VERY long list of abuses that China has committed.

Fosus 12-14-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunzel77 (Post 117103)
If this video is true then this is another to add to the VERY long list of abuses that China has committed.

I just wanted to add that it's not really China, as in, the whole country to blame for this kind of thing. The problem is their current economy, very highly affected by western countries.

Those who commit these horrible acts are humans just like us.. Humans even have the instinct.. I don't remember what it's called. It's the will to torture lesser creatures. When it get attached to money things get out of hand. :(

rapunzel77 12-14-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fosus (Post 117241)
I just wanted to add that it's not really China, as in, the whole country to blame for this kind of thing. The problem is their current economy, very highly affected by western countries.

Those who commit these horrible acts are humans just like us.. Humans even have the instinct.. I don't remember what it's called. It's the will to torture lesser creatures. When it get attached to money things get out of hand. :(

I blame the Chinese government who is responsible for the human rights abuses and the economy for the abuses against the animals. All together, China has a lot to answer for :(. As for as the instinct to torture lesser creatures, it can be controlled and purified. That is why it is very important to have a strong moral core so that such abuses will be lessened. Afterall, if we didn't have a moral core then why would anyone be upset with abusing others? Our sense of justice will not allow for torture and abuse. It's wrong, cruel, and evil regardless if it is a human or an animal and you are right that greed adds to the desire to control and to abuse :(.

josie20 02-26-2011 10:54 PM

I just watched the video. I haven't cried this hard for a long time. I've never felt such a strong mix of utter sorrow, anger and hate all at once. I can't even think straight right now...

tm20 02-28-2011 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by advent (Post 117071)
that's the chinese work ethic for you, not to be racist. Maximum profit for the least amount of work and cost. Therefore, they see the animals and think "take fur; they'll die by themselves."

exactly

Sight Unseen 03-02-2011 03:52 AM

Can't watch the video because phone doesn't have flash, but I think I've heard enough. PETA... smells of hyperbole and I never would cite them in an essay, but this doesn't surprise me at all. This is China. If they treat their people like cattle, how can you expect them to treat cattle?


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