I'm sorry, but that's bull****. Are you implying that anyone who isn't involved in agriculture is doing "unnecessary research?" I beg to differ...

These people don't understand what they're saying. Pay it no mind.
They want to live in caves and build houses from sticks.

Once in a while humanity is meant to start over, and not just that we will live like hundred years ago but we will face the unexpected. And I'm not talking about us here, but the next generations.

What do you say about the indigenous people in Amazon that are forced to leave their territories because of some irrational corporates who don't know sh*t about their traditions and lifestyle but more about resources under and how to steal them without any right ? They build houses from sticks, so what ? They don't pollute, they don't harm anyone, they don't want our resources to be like us because they don't need this and I can assure you, these indigenous people know more about you and me and us than we do so that's why they don't want to be exposed to a self-destruction. Please.

Industrial Society has also a rational thought : building vertically in order to preserve horizontal spaces. Just as trees.

I don't think anything is meant :P - things haven't happened before and won't happen again in the same way. Whatever happens happens, and that is a reason to respect others, and not thanks to some magical 'meant to start over' (are the indigenous people in Amazon that are forced to leave their territories "meant to start over"? That's what your post implies to me :P)

It's one thing to respect the indigenous people and their way. And you should.
But the people in this thread are saying, because they don't like cars and electricity, that we all need to go back to the stone age.

No one's stopping you.

Of course it's not magical, just that in our history there are some periods when people had to do that because of... something. The indigenous people will start over but not fully, because they'll take traditions and habits with them, also they would adapt easily to new environments (natural). Can we adapt ? I doubt.

It's an option. You can choose to believe whatever you want about today's society and live the way you want. I choose to believe that electricity and cars can be non-pollutive using sun and wind energies, but of course, not until oil and gas will cost more than gold, it will be a very rare resource.

There are people who gave up this live and moved to the wild, growing their own food haunting for meat, not supporting globalization and industrialization. I don't think it's wrong what they're doing.

I never stated that it was wrong.

I'm "one of those people ", and I don't think that Iron Jones said that at all.

Exactly. It's not wrong, but what's wrong is wanting everyone to do the same. That's the direct equivalent of wanting everyone to live in a dense city area - there are people who will like that, there are people who will like living in a cave without another person anywhere near them, there will people who will like a small village, or the suburbs, or a large town, or Antarctica. People need different things, and what's important is reducing the negative impact each has on the other - which per perfectly possible if population in general is kept lower.

KOSMAN, MA TSMUK, oe mllte.

Give em a month of hunting with sticks and fetching their own water from a hole in a ground and I'm sure stoplights and automatic doors won't seem so bad.

WRONG BUNKIE! There you go making judgements about stuff that you are only GUESSING ABOUT.
I have been hunting with a bow since I was Ten, and it hasn't gotten old with me. I put a white tailed deer a year on the table with a bow, and have been disappearing into the woods for a week at a time with nothing but a bow or rifle, and not going hungry or thirsty since I was thirteen. "
Don't. Assume all of us are like you.

Go figure...

Before I moved to this city for college, I used to leave home for two or three days, by myself or in groups of 5 to maximum 10 kiddos, in the forest. We were making light and fire with sticks and no lighters, we were collecting forest fruits from trees or bushes, watching the night skies till we fell asleep, it was a great experience and I would do it again, even more than that, in the same skin I'm in. Main idea started as camping, but it evolved as an escape from day to day life. As days passed and spent over there, I started to believe that it wouldn't be bad for me to move in the forest forever, than blocking my eyes in books and technical drawings for an uncertain future. Then I woke up in 2007 going to college and here I am... probably if I moved wouldn't have meet you, great people from ToS, my second home.

Anyway, there is time. I stay on my idea that sooner or later Humanity will be forced to start over without too much technology at hands.

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When there was still time to save environment a whole century was wasted in the futile debate over Capitalism, Socialism and Communism.

Trying to save environment after 250 years of relentless Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.

Industrial Activity destroys environment.....Where there is Industrial Activity there is environmental destruction.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism doesn't matter at all.

Monsanto is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Nuclear Power Plants are not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Mining Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Logging Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Construction Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Transportation Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands and Hydraulic Fracking are not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

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A person is being shot 100 times......Some people are supposed to save the victim.....They do nothing till 99 bullets have hit the victim.....When the last bullet is about to be fired they rush to save the victim, who is already dead by then.

Industrial Activity has been destroying Biodiversity and Ecosystems for 250 years.....Industrial Society should not have been started in the first place.....Once it came into existence its harmful impact on environment should have alerted people and they should have tried to stop Industrial Activity in the early stages.....If people had tried to stop Industrial Activity 50 years or even 100 years after it began, environment could have been saved because most of the environmental destruction has taken place in the last 50 - 100 years when the rate of Industrialization and Consumerism rose exponentially.....Trying to save environment after 250 years of Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.

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When a mass shooter kills 20 American kids the world is outraged.

When millions of baby seals are clubbed to death the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of animals in Slaughter Houses the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of wild animals by destroying forests with Industrial Activity the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of acres of fertile soil that provides food to millions of species with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills ecosystems that are home to millions of species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

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Who is not a killer in Industrial Society?????

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Mass shooters are not the only insane people in this society.....The entire Industrial Society is insane.

The entire Industrial Society is insane, abnormal and criminal.

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Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.

An Industrial Society will always be cruel to millions of other species and to itself.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not even exist.

Welfare of humans and millions of other species is only possible in a non-industrial society.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

...are you retarded?