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Human No More 03-24-2011 07:54 PM

Any infiltration is extremely unlikely, the Na'vi would notice any impostor instantly because they would have literally no clue about anything. None of the marines cared at all about Pandora. Anyway, Avatars are 'insanely expensive', and any skxawng who appeared out of nowhere and who nobody knew (and sleeps like avatars do) and started trying to kill people would be dead very quickly (if they even survived the forest :P ). Also, the fact that they would still need to arrive at Pandora, and so would be broadcasting their arrival for months in advance even before arriving, plus the fact that it would be 13 years at a minimum before any specifically sent mission would arrive, longer if avatars were developed. Of course, not to mention the fact that the RDA are concerned with money, not random war.

Grif 03-25-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 135673)
Any infiltration is extremely unlikely, the Na'vi would notice any impostor instantly because they would have literally no clue about anything. None of the marines cared at all about Pandora. Anyway, Avatars are 'insanely expensive', and any skxawng who appeared out of nowhere and who nobody knew (and sleeps like avatars do) and started trying to kill people would be dead very quickly (if they even survived the forest :P ). Also, the fact that they would still need to arrive at Pandora, and so would be broadcasting their arrival for months in advance even before arriving, plus the fact that it would be 13 years at a minimum before any specifically sent mission would arrive, longer if avatars were developed. Of course, not to mention the fact that the RDA are concerned with money, not random war.

There was a great fanfiction about this. The infiltrator spent his entire trip over learning about the Na'vi then was ripped from his human body and put into the avatar (killing his human form). He was sent down in an escape pod programed to crash, giving him fake injuries and the ability to say he had memory loss. He ended up getting in too deep, falling for some girl, and formed a tsahylu with her. He didn't last long after his secret got out.

ISV Venture Star 03-25-2011 12:16 PM

Unlikely sequel idea (have been reading about possibility of Schwarzenegger being in the next film).

The RDA realizes that the Pandoran biosphere is now 'primed' to consider any new intrusions of sawtute as hostile (as in the original Avatar scriptment). With this in mind they enlist the help of a former colleague and arch-rival of Dr. Augustine; a morally bankrupt but terrifyingly intelligent botanist/geneticist/network specialist played by Arnold Schwarzenegger. His job is to co-opt and subvert parts of the superorganism known as Eywa- not only so that mining can resume but also that the biotechnology involved in creating an artificial (and malign) version of a network like that can be understood and sold to warring nations/corporations on Earth.

The attempt is highly successful. The Na'vi are driven back by the very animals that saved the day in the original film.
Jake, seeking guidance, undergoes the the Uniltaron. In his trance like state he sees a glimpse of something deep underwater. Mo'at knows that he must travel far out into the Eastern Sea if he is to make sense of this vision.

The finale is a last ditch struggle between a weakened group of Na'vi (including Jake and Neytiri) guided by Voice Of Eywa (Grace Augustine) and aided by a mysterious and secretive clan adapted for life in the deep ocean versus the RDA and a monstrously biologically augmented geneticist commanding vast swathes of the Pandoran biosphere.

Human No More 03-26-2011 10:39 AM

Sounds like someone turning Avatar into what they want to see to me.
Avatar is not a war film, and I seriously doubt it will suddenly turn into one.

ISV Venture Star 03-26-2011 11:57 AM

I think there will likely be a conflict of some description. What form it will take, I don't know.

BotanicalMedley 09-16-2011 10:54 AM

It's interesting because on Wikipedia, it says that Stephen Lang is going to be playing Colonel Miles Quaritch in 'Avatar 2'. Look at his filmography here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lang_(actor)

Cyvaris 09-16-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BotanicalMedley (Post 156877)
It's interesting because on Wikipedia, it says that Stephen Lang is going to be playing Colonel Miles Quaritch in 'Avatar 2'. Look at his filmography here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lang_(actor)



"I'm still BREATHIN!!"

Best reintroduction of a character EVER!

ahoragi 09-16-2011 12:56 PM

I bet he'll come back as an Avatar-on-steriods.

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v...ff-d390im7.jpg

Moco Loco 09-16-2011 04:07 PM

LOL

What is that?? :xD:

Clarke 09-16-2011 04:39 PM

Arnold Scwarzenegger's avatar, according to the filename.

mikkowilson 09-16-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ahoragi (Post 156894)

KÄ NE KUNSÌPAAH!


- Mikko

Empty Glass 09-16-2011 08:57 PM

that pic: WAT

I love Wikipedia as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure if I trust it this time. There's nothing on his IMDB page that says he'll be in Avatar 2. Frankly I'm still not sure how he could be legitimately brought back apart from a flashback.

(Off-topic, but it looks like he's going to be in a TV series about the American Civil War playing...Abraham Lincoln!)

Clarke 09-16-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Empty Glass (Post 156914)
I love Wikipedia as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure if I trust it this time. There's nothing on his IMDB page that says he'll be in Avatar 2. Frankly I'm still not sure how he could be legitimately brought back apart from a flashback)

JC will find a way. Quaritch is too popular a character to just drop. :cool:

Human No More 09-16-2011 09:51 PM

No, he won't. Again, you want to see spess mehrens and invasions, you picked the wrong film.

Wikipedia is accurate, right?
Oh wait :P
Any idiot can add speculation like that.

Edit: This is the user who added the 'information': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mykmason_001
Three deleted pages and a warning for adding hoaxes. :P

Clarke 09-16-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 156921)
No, he won't. Again, you want to see spess mehrens and invasions, you picked the wrong film.

Wikipedia is accurate, right?
Oh wait :P
Any idiot can add speculation like that.

Stephen himself thinks there's something planned. :P
Sigourney Weaver Returning for Avatar 2? - ComingSoon.net

Human No More 09-16-2011 09:57 PM

That doesn't mean he's going to be a dead character (unless flashbacks count). Anyway, Sam has previously said that in the sequel his avatar will be fat and asking Neytiri to get him beers, should that be taken seriously as well? :P

...oh, and that link is about Sigourney weaver :P

Clarke 09-16-2011 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 156923)
That doesn't mean he's going to be a dead character (unless flashbacks count). Anyway, Sam has previously said that in the sequel his avatar will be fat and asking Neytiri to get him beers, should that be taken seriously as well? :P

...oh, and that link is about Sigourney weaver :P

No, because that's very specific and easily known to be a joke? Vague, "I'll be back!"-style details are more likely to be true.

(And I'll have to check the video later. However, I was linked to it by a page that said Stephen mentioned that “Nothing’s over so long as they’ve got my DNA.” I also found it in Entertainment Weekly, but that's obviously a paper publication.)

Advent 09-16-2011 10:37 PM

I think that humans will come back eventually, maybe not in Avatar 2, but then in the next one. Simply because JC won't get nearly enough attention if he just 'explores the oceans' or shows clan warfare. Also, the introduction of another alien species is just bull****.

Simply, some good ol' climatic battle scenes is what JC needs to keep the trilogy running for a wide audience.

Cyvaris 09-18-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Empty Glass (Post 156914)
that pic: WAT

(Off-topic, but it looks like he's going to be in a TV series about the American Civil War playing...Abraham Lincoln!)


Wait what? That...that is just weird.

Human No More 09-19-2011 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Advent (Post 156937)
I think that humans will come back eventually, maybe not in Avatar 2, but then in the next one. Simply because JC won't get nearly enough attention if he just 'explores the oceans' or shows clan warfare. Also, the introduction of another alien species is just bull****.

Simply, some good ol' climatic battle scenes is what JC needs to keep the trilogy running for a wide audience.

Coming back in a realistic capacity is VERY different from a troll thread like this one about 'invasion'.

Advent 09-19-2011 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 157129)
Coming back in a realistic capacity is VERY different from a troll thread like this one about 'invasion'.

Perhaps. But making a completely realistic movie doesn't make it better.

Moco Loco 09-19-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 157129)
Coming back in a realistic capacity is VERY different from a troll thread like this one about 'invasion'.

You throw that word around a lot. I hardly see how this can be called a "troll" thread.

Niri Te 12-28-2011 06:25 PM

You forget that there is a GLOBAL NETWORK of these trees, any Na'vi that tied into a tree of voices, would instantly know.

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite (Post 127185)
Wow... more intelligent? :hmm: They fell for the avatar program at first, tried to attack a strike force of 15 samsons and a dragon gunship from the ground with arrows, charged point-blank heavy gunfire with nothing but direhorses, trusted a former marine who was gathering intel for their enemy...

The humans landed in one small area of Pandora, and they've only occupied the area for about 25 years. Jake and the Omaticaya traveled a few hundred miles at most to notify other clans to come to their aid. Then there's the rest of the entire moon to think about, where humans never traveled, and where the Na'vi were never notified by Jake and the Omaticaya about their predicament. The other distant clans are unaware that the humans ever landed. How would they know?

The RDA, at one point in time, had to have set up Hell's Gate on Pandora. They did this with precision and patience, and at that time, the Na'vi were probably more curious than hostile. If the RDA were to start from square one again, landing on a different area of the moon, far away from Hell's Gate, and repeated the same task (only doing it multiple times instead of one) among other clans who had no idea what happened with the Omaticaya, they could very well take over the moon... That is, if Eywa doesn't recognize who they are in these other areas. Chances are, it will, which will make the process much more difficult... but still possible. Eywa acted when there was an emergency at the last minute, which could imply that she's a benign force up to the point of extreme measures.

As far as whether or not the Na'vi need technology, I agree. As their lifestyle dictates, they don't need tech. But if threatened by a massive force of trained soldiers with full firepower (considering how their small strike force of about 50 samsons and a dragon gunship defeated 2000 Na'vi warriors), the Na'vi cannot withstand them without combining human weapons tech with every able fighter, along with Eywa. That's the only possible way they could defeat the humans if threatened by such an immense force... as far as I see it, at least, not to say my opinion is the be-all, end-all, word and the way.

And don't forget, as far as we know, the main commanders in the battle were using coms. That was human technology. ;)


Niri Te 12-28-2011 06:41 PM

If he is in it, in ANY capacity, I won't be watching the sequels, what IS this, "play fight is over, every get up, and we will see you here tomorrow? Then you might as well bring back Natiri's Sister as well.
I will find out from friends, who was "magically resurrected" and if it's too many people that should be dead and rotting in the ground, I will just revel in the storyline of Avatar one, and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Clarke (Post 156922)
Stephen himself thinks there's something planned. :P
Sigourney Weaver Returning for Avatar 2? - ComingSoon.net


Niri Te 12-28-2011 06:45 PM

What I want to know, is what is going to happen in twelve years when a Armada of Terran spacecraft show up in Pandoran orbit, with orders to use Vapor bombs to wipe out all life on the surface of the planet, and strip it bare of it's minerals at all costs. Due to the overpopulation of Earth, losing a couple of million soldiers in waves of Suicide attacks during the take over of Pandora will actually be a good thing in the minds of those that pull the strings back on Earth. In their minds, it would mean far less mouths to feed.
Jake and the others are either going to have to transform the Na'vi into a technological Defense Force, from the Stone Age Clans that they are now, or Eywa will have to interviene again, and fry the inbound armada to the last ship, with a high energy plasma wave from a local star that she causes to go supernova as they pass it. Then, as it falls through itself becoming a black hole, the remaining "space junk" is pulled into the black hole forever. How's THAT for an ending with "Hellfire and damnation" spiritual overtones??

Crickett 12-28-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by taylorcraftbc65 (Post 166118)
What I want to know, is what is going to happen in twelve years when a Armada of Terran spacecraft show up in Pandoran orbit, with orders to use Vapor bombs to wipe out all life on the surface of the planet, and strip it bare of it's minerals at all costs. Due to the overpopulation of Earth, losing a couple of million soldiers in waves of Suicide attacks during the take over of Pandora will actually be a good thing in the minds of those that pull the strings back on Earth. In their minds, it would mean far less mouths to feed.

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My question would be the same to you that it was when I saw the trailer for Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 where Russia invaded the EAST coast of the United States.


How would they get them all there? Or feed them all? Waging such a massive war from such a distance would be logistically impossible given the level of technology displayed.


Or better yet, if you're going to vaporize all life on a planet to make room for inhabitants..... why not do that on Mars? We can't live on the surface of Mars, but..... how would that be any different than Pandora?

Sure Unobtanium sells for 20 million a kilo but..... how much do you think it would cost to transport "millions" of people plus supplies for "millions of people" several light years?

It took us centuries as a species to work up the courage to go on journeys into the unknown that was assumed would take weeks and actually took months. Even more centuries for more than a few hundred or a few thousand to do it.

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Originally Posted by taylorcraftbc65 (Post 166118)
Jake and the others are either going to have to transform the Na'vi into a technological Defense Force, from the Stone Age Clans that they are now, or Eywa will have to interviene again, and fry the inbound armada to the last ship, with a high energy plasma wave from a local star that she causes to go supernova as they pass it. Then, as it falls through itself becoming a black hole, the remaining "space junk" is pulled into the black hole forever. How's THAT for an ending with "Hellfire and damnation" spiritual overtones??

My first thought when reading this.....






Clarke 12-28-2011 10:54 PM

Apart from the fact that Alpha Centauri fuels all of Pandora's ecosystems, and so affecting it in any significant way won't help, the RDA have the capability (though perhaps not the motivation) to literally or metaphorically nuke the site from orbit, do not pass Go, collect 200 (million) dollars.

You don't require any loss of human life to poison Pandora permanently. You need any one of various "super"-weapons, all of which can be delivered pretty cheaply and are basically unblockable with 22nd century technology, let alone Na'vi technology. There is nothing Eywa can do in this matter, because to stop the RDA requires some modicum of space access, which the Na'vi are centuries from.

Human No More 12-28-2011 10:56 PM

Honestly, that isn't going to happen. Read any background ever.

THEY DO NOT HAVE WMD. Even if they somehow had the capacity, they aren't going to commit suicide by using them. 'A couple of million' people coming to Pandora would take AROUND 10,000 YEARS* just for the marines, with another 15,000 years for any actual weapons, not to mention the lack of anywhere for them to actually arrive.

*200 per ISV, 12 ISVs. ~12 years per round trip.

There is also no realistic way Quaritch can come back, at all. He's dead. None of his memories are preserved, and an offhand joke about DNA does not apply to a REALISTIC scifi film, where cloning actually works as it does in the real world.

Human No More 12-28-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarke (Post 166135)
Apart from the fact that Alpha Centauri fuels all of Pandora's ecosystems, and so affecting it in any significant way won't help, the RDA have the capability (though perhaps not the motivation) to literally or metaphorically nuke the site from orbit, do not pass Go, collect 200 (million) dollars.

You don't require any loss of human life to poison Pandora permanently. You need any one of various "super"-weapons, all of which can be delivered pretty cheaply and are basically unblockable with 22nd century technology, let alone Na'vi technology. There is nothing Eywa can do in this matter, because to stop the RDA requires some modicum of space access, which the Na'vi are centuries from.

Back to trolling? REALLY?

THEY DO NOT HAVE SUPERWEAPONS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DESTROY THEIR OWN BUSINESS EVEN IF THEY DID.


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