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In a race who would win between a 1969 GTO "Judge" or a 2005 infinity G35

GTO specs:
Engine: 400ci/370hp Ram Air IV V8
Torque: 445 lb-ft @ 3900 rpm
Weight: 3081 lbs | 1397.518 kg

G35:
Engine: 3.5L 280 hp V6
Torque: 270 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
Weight: 3,512 lbs

The reason Im asking this is a really long story, please only post if you know what your talking about.

Obviously it depends on what race (drag, autocross), and the environment and driver, but in this case I'll have to say the GTO, because of power (370 V8 445 ft. lbs. compared to 280 V6 270 ft. lbs) and weight (3081 compared to 3,512)

The G35 is heavier and underpowered compared to the GTO

Ohh I see. Im not very smart with cars

Its all good man, may I ask why you asked?

Well. Ill be getting my dream car sometime at the end of this year. The 69 goat. But my friend Cellion insists that his friends 2005 infiniti g35 is faster. He just doesn't understand classics. Whenever I try to show him he blatantly refuses to listen and goes on and on about it. Now all he does is brag about his friends car. Which is rather ironic because he has a pretty nice honda himself. Thats the just of the story. The rest is irrelevant.

Hehe show him up then... just be careful haha looking back a lot of the races I did were pretty stupid... racing a little ricer hatchback civic with my dads mustang gt (i was just out for a little drive i wasn't planning on racing but he was pissing me off) ended up driving down a 35 zone at 100+... then with my car during lunch break at my automotive school raced a few times down a street which was stupid for getting caught not as much crashing... the street was lined with entrances to a Khumo tires factory (our school was right next to the factory) plus automotive school... cops will write UTI (my school) students fat tickets for racing... I cant even remember how many times I raced or was passenger to a friend who was racing and never got caught. Pushed my luck sometimes but nothings bad happened hehe pics when you get the car I'd love to see it!

I'm hoping to get the original carousel red color with the original "judge" on the spoiler and fender. Only 5000 or so were made so its hard to come by an original. I will definitely be posting pictures though.

Awesome man well good luck with it!

you should get a six fo

Whats that? Im actually debating on the '69 GTO or a '69 Dodge charger R/T.

For the GTO we have a Power-to-weight ratio of 330.44/3081 [hp/lb] = 0.11 hp per pound
For the G35: 246.76/3512 [hp/lb] = 0.070 hp per pound.
Comparing both values, the GTO is 57% more powerful than the G35. It also has a peak torque at lower RPMs than the G35 and that's a good thing because you will be able to deliver power in low gears without grinding the gearbox.

Well I have decided on the 1969 dodge charger R/T. Can anyone tell me how this car would compare to a 2008 Honda accord coupe v6. (Another long story)

Charger specs:
Wheelbase, inches: 117.0
Weight, lbs: 4,300
Engine Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 426
Fuel system: 2 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 10.25:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 425 @ 5000
Torque @ rpm: 490 @ 4000
Rear Wheel drive

Honda specs:
Engine
Type: V6
Displacement cu in (cc): 212 (3471)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 268(200) / 6200
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 248(336) / 5000
Redline at RPM: 6800
Weight lb (kg): 3446 (1564)
Front wheel drive

You once again dominate in the horsepower and ft. lbs department... he has a higher RPM range than you do (Honda= Hold On Not Done Accelerating hehe) but he is 1,000 kg lighter than you... he also is a front wheel drive whereas you're a rear wheel, you'll get more traction off the line than he will (depends on how hard he punches the throttle but he'll have wheel hop to deal with) so you should be dominant again

Pretty much what was said above.

But this really only applies in a straight up drag race. Throw a few curves in there and the older car will suffer very badly. Unless it has suspension upgrades.

Older cars sit higher, are more top heavy, and the suspension is looser so when you hit bumps, curves it will effect your steering.

But then again, if you get an inexperienced driver in the GTO and someone who knows what they are doing in the G35 a lot of things can happen. For example if the G35 has more gears than the GTO that will be in favor of the G35 because it will allow the driver to keep the engine in its power band.

And for racing, please do it on a strip with proper safety gear. When I first got my license I thought I could race anyone in my Cougar and get away with it, was almost in two wrecks. Going 110 down a straight away and hit a bump, it threw the front of the car up in the air and jerked the steering wheel out of my hands. And later I almost slid into a train trying to stop from racing down the same straight.

Good luck on getting a Judge, very cool cars. And remember, when you hit the stip pull the Air-Ram handle under the dash for a few more horses. :)

Experience : Racing Cars and building engines for 5 years ;)

SOrry bro wrong car I meant 2010 coupe my bad.

Hondas specs:
Engine Type In-Line 4-Cylinder
Engine Block/Cylinder Head Aluminum-Alloy
Displacement (cc) 2354 3471
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net) 190 @ 7000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 162 @ 4400
Redline 7100
Weight 3184 pounds.

This could go both ways. The Charger has got some pretty good low end torque so if you aren't running some decent tires you will spin 1/4 of the way down the track and prolly end up sideways into the wall. A little babying off the line till you get good traction to power then hammer down and when you see stars shift.

agreed, plus newer cars are lighter and are a little better suspension wise so they would have the advantage cornering and such, but I think he was just talking a straight-away... but you brought up good points

and with the street racing? yea like I mentioned before wasnt the smartest thing I've done (seen too many accidents)... just be safe mate =)

how about a prius, it uses less fuel. if not, a six fo

*oh and btw.... 69 GTO
http://www.ercruisers.com/car_pics/1..._GTO_Judge.jpg

69 charger
http://www.chargerclubofwa.asn.au/ad...69charger1.jpg

as if you wouldn't go for the charger... IMO it looks better, you can always swap out the engine and get better suspension kits, transmission etc...

I like the chargers looks but Im gonna get the 1968 grille on it.

Hmm... If you want top speed, you need a light car and an engine with high RPMs, if you want manoeuvrability, you will need a car that generates traction at low speeds. For road cars, the weight of the car usually determines that, as well as other factors such as suspension, ride height, etc. A car with a high ride height is not very manoeuvrable, it's very likely to roll over when trying to take a curve at high speeds. A heavy car will generate traction at low speeds and will be able to take curves (within a limit, of course) more easily than a light car. It is a compromise, like the setup of a F1 car, for street circuits like Monaco, the car needs a lot of downforce but that limits the top speed (a "slow" track). Monza is different, the car needs top speed, therefore the car will need to be "discharged" (a "fast" track).

How would I do all of that in a '69 charger?

Well... you can't. As mentioned above, if your purpose is competition, I think there are better cars. If your purpose is not competition, then you have to ponder the choices you have. Road cars come as a whole package and it is not easy to go beyond the specifications. If you want a car for the looks, then you know what car will suit you. Power does not automatically grant manoeuvrability or reliability. That's why it is so important to know a car's specifications.

My purpose isn't competition, I just want a really powerful car. That will most certainly be faster than my friends cars.

Ah, then you have picked already :gwink: A big engine in this case means more power. The 69 charger will do fine against a current street car. But it is always good to know the limits of the car. Be safe.

Have actually decided to get a 2007-2009 Shelby GT500. I know it seems like I'm not sure about what I really want but this is it. I would have mentioned this car in the first place but the fact that it looks identical to a mustang made me not want it. However I found a body kit I can get to make it look very badass.

You can always upgrade the car as well hehe, stuff like upgraded suspension (sway bars and the like) engine mods (intake, headers, exhaust, turbo kits, ect.)

Post pics when you get it!

Having owned a 06 G35, I can say they're pigs, slow and underpowered.

If your in that price range, consider a 06+ Vette or Z06. They'll blow the GT500 out of the water in the corners and on the straights in some cases. The GT500 while powerful has a ton of body roll in the corners and is overweight, plus it DRINKS gas (I know, not a concern of a sports car) but with gas at 3.80 ATM its something to think about.

I have actually considered Corvettes and Vipers alike. They are just to sports car-ish if that makes any sense.

P.S. not really a big Chevy fan. Not a big ford fan either but hey for the mustang and shelbys I'll make an exception.

I view Corvettes as the lowest form of sports cars. Don't get me wrong there are some that are really really amazing cars, but the ones I see on the street are more like midlife crisis mobiles.

Midlife crisis mobiles. I like that. It's 95% true. Hardly anyone who buys a fast car actually uses it.

Deciding between a Charger or a 69 GTO? What are you made of money or something? Decent versions go for upper 5 figures and a perfect one can easily go over 100k.

Those old muscle cars like to go straight and fast. In most of the examples the old big engined beasts will out accelerate it. Add in turns and those old vehicles don't do as well. However, for the cost you can get something modern that is a lot more comfortable, just as fast, and can actually go around corners.

Actually I'm alot younger than you may think. However my money is just that MY money. If you saw I decided to go with a 2007-2009 shelby GT500. With a few upgrades of course.


Edit: When I get that car maybe I should get it painted crimson with a yellow hammer and sickle on the side. Considering my geographical location that may not be a good idea.

what about this kit, its meant to be the elanor kit. i think it looks cool.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photo.../Eleanor21.BMP

BTW for you people in USA, do you see lots of cars like this? i think they are a ****ing joke :xD:

http://thecarloos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/donk.jpg

I don't know where to find that kit and I think its meant for the mustang. The GT500 got left in the cold when it comes to exterior upgrades.

Meh sometimes driving on the street... A LOT at car shows...

There was one guy at my automotive school who drove a 1970 El Camino with 22" 5 spoke chrome rims... that was the killjoy the car itself was cool (I love El Caminos) sounded cool too but those wheels killed it

If I went about 170 miles Southeast to Houston I would. But cars like that normally remain in the hood :xD:

*facepalm*

Most people that own Ferrari's and Astons in this area drive them 10 miles under the speed limit too...

The face of some douchebag viper over when you spank his ass with a smaller more fuel efficient motor in a car that just looks better is priceless. You wanna drive it conservative? You can get 32MPG out of an MN6 vette. Push it? A Z06 will spank a 360/F430 and it costs 150,000 less.

And uh... tm20... in uh... certain "ethnic" areas... yeah they're all over... Rofl

I've now seen precisely one car like that and I live in Southern California. That's nuts.

More seriously, most people buying sports cars are doing it for the perceived status and not the performance. I have nothing against an aesthetic good looking vehicles, but I'm an engineer and a car is a tool. I want the right tool for the job. Yeah I know that I'm some kind of extreme minority, but my $200 motorcycle will smoke most any car. When I need to look, um a little more professional I drive the Jag.