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Ashen Key 03-07-2011 06:10 AM

Grace's tattoo
 
So, I have a bit of a project I'm working on right now, inspired by these two picspams on the costumes and possible character implications in the movie Inception. Basically, I'm looking to do something similar for Avatar (more on cataloguing and possible character-implications than details as to fashion). And part of the costume are tattoos, even if they are the actor's (they weren't covered up, so I figure they were left for a reason, and in any case, the CHARACTER now has them, too). I can see most of those who have them, but I've run into trouble with Grace's.


Grace has a tattoo on her right arm, which can be seen in the cafeteria scene when she's explaining Jake's adventures the day before.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Avatar2952.jpg

Trouble is, I'm finding impossible to get a good look at the design, and I have no idea what it could be.

So, does anyone have a HD shot of it, and/or does anyone have any idea what the tattoo could be?

tm20 03-07-2011 08:06 AM

i remember when i noticed it when watching it at the cinema it looked alot like this

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...png?1291694129

dude to her left also has one on his hand, it's a small love heart

Ashen Key 03-07-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tm20 (Post 132733)
i remember when i noticed it when watching it at the cinema it looked alot like this

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...png?1291694129

dude to her left also has one on his hand, it's a small love heart


Oooooh, do you have any idea what it means? And yep, I knew the guy's heart - although not what it means, either, as it kinda looks like a crest of some kind.

tm20 03-07-2011 08:18 AM

the logo is actually Tracy McGrady's logo for his Adidas shoes so it's definitely not what she has on her arm but it looks close, probably a cross of some sort since i read somewhere that Grace Augustine is a very catholic or christian name.

Human No More 03-07-2011 07:41 PM

Well, it has implications, but isn't directly one itself, but I don't think that would be it anyway, it really doesn't fit with her character and it's too wide to be one - it looks kind of like a diamond shape. I had a quick look for a shot where I could see it properly, but couldn't find anything great.
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5...0719h27m00.png
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3...0719h29m44.png
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/4...0719h29m50.png

tm20 03-07-2011 09:44 PM

i think it's an asian character

well, after minutes of using google translate and putting in numerous words which i thought were relevant to Grace's interest i finally put in "world" and one of the translations which came up was this: 宇 it's mandarin, i guessed that Grace cared about earth being a botanist so yeah, i entered it and that came up. it does look similar to what we see in the pics

Sothis 03-07-2011 11:11 PM

Good idea, but based on HNM's 3rd picture, that's not it. Maybe it's a different Mandarin character, but I can't really make it out clearly enough to tell (and my reading-vocabulary is not that great, anyway).

Ashen Key 03-08-2011 12:06 AM

It looks to me (and my little sister, who was peering over my shoulder) more like a fan shape than a written character. Her first thought was a rising sun, but maybe a type of plant?

Hmm. When I get some time, I'll crop it and fiddle and tilt it around and see what it looks like from another angle.

X.,.Pandora.,.X 03-08-2011 12:35 AM

To me it looks like a palm tree....anyone else think that

or

It could be a tribal symbol the Na'vi use....

Ashen Key 03-08-2011 02:33 AM

Okay! Cropped one of the pics HNM put up (and thank you SO MUCH), and flipped it over, and then sharpened it. (the flat edge is the one closest to her hand)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...irrorsharp.png

Had suggestions of a type of leaf, or the insignia of something.

Sothis 03-08-2011 02:38 AM

Oooh, nice work, Ash! Flipping it around and sharpening does help a lot.

Ashen Key 03-08-2011 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sothis (Post 132839)
Oooh, nice work, Ash! Flipping it around and sharpening does help a lot.

:D!

Aaaaand we could have two possible answers, thanks to my RPG's chat. The first, both flip and serious, is a marijuana leaf: the second, more serious, is the Agni of Shiva. In more detail, images of Shiva dancing (the Nataraja), on its/His upper left hand, is Agni, the fire of creation/destruction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...NatarajaHA.jpg

(another way of imaging it can be found here)

Looks the closest to me, anyway - and Hinduism IS where we get "avatar" from originally, not to mention the blue, and also Trudy's Samson is called Maya.

To quote wikipedia just on Agni himself:

Quote:

In a later Hindu interpretation, Agni stands for knowledge for it is seen by the learned people, covering all things that move and do not move and because it summons the Devatas endowed with knowledge the light Agni emits is the light of knowledge, therefore, it is also known as the illuminator of knowledge who lights up the path leading to Truth. Agni reveals the true nature of one's own self because it is the innermost light that shines ever so brightly in all things living and nonliving as their inner consciousness (impeller).
Taking the above quote with the information on the Nataraja, that's all VERY interesting. Anyway, what do you guys think?

Human No More 03-08-2011 11:35 PM

Looks like a leaf to me - nice work getting that detail from the screencap :)

EywaBlessMe 04-13-2011 12:18 AM

Not that I've paid a lot of attention or anything, but is the tat Grace's, or does Sigourney have any ink?

Ashen Key 04-13-2011 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe (Post 139101)
Not that I've paid a lot of attention or anything, but is the tat Grace's, or does Sigourney have any ink?

Have been sadly unable to find out - and I've tried.

Human No More 04-13-2011 08:00 AM

I don't think she does, but it's hard to really find much information. Usually if an actor has a tattoo, it gets covered up with makeup for a character unless they can work it in somehow, but then again, characters rarely have them as part of their character unless it's a significant point due to the resulting amount of makeup needing to be done to create a fake one.

Alyara Arati 04-18-2011 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sothis (Post 132839)
Oooh, nice work, Ash! Flipping it around and sharpening does help a lot.

I've always been curious about that tattoo. Now that I'm able to see it better, it looks to me like a very stylized lotus flower.

Jeroen 03-24-2012 12:24 PM

I know this is a major bump but I got a better screenshot of the tattoo just seconds before she gone to Eywa.
https://sona-gaming.com/Tattoo.png

Moco Loco 03-24-2012 09:05 PM

Makes decent sense for Grace to have a small tattoo of a plant :P

Fan Lizard 03-26-2012 05:19 PM

Oh! Never noticed...so cute :love: Definitely it makes sense for Grace to have this tattoo :)

Cyvaris 03-28-2012 02:00 AM

I...I....this is why fandoms scare me.

Now then who wants to hear about how I extrapolated the meaning of some of the markings inside the TARDIS and how they prove that the Whoniverse takes place in the same setting as WH40K?

Human No More 03-29-2012 12:27 AM

...I don't think anyone extrapolated meanings from it, we're just wondering what it is of (and whether or not it's part of her character). ¬_¬

Cyvaris 03-29-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 171429)
...I don't think anyone extrapolated meanings from it, we're just wondering what it is of (and whether or not it's part of her character). ¬_¬

I know I was just being my usual snarky/self depreciating self. I'll bash on you guys for being nerdy THEN talk about my even nerdier pursuits.

Its just who I am. Though I can see how my sarcasm gets missed.

Human No More 03-29-2012 09:54 PM

Sorry, that was my fail :P

I understand the tendency of fandom to run to great lengths to work out significance of tiny things - although I just want to know what her tattoo is of! :P

What I think is really interesting is how the majority of characters main and random have some kind of tattoo from when their arms/neck are visible - a subtle yet realistic acknoeldgement that they are gradually getting more accepted as they become popular.

utraltirea'ite 11-24-2013 07:19 PM

I love that we are noticing the small things in the movie, whether they are deliberate or not. I really don't think JC would let something like an inappropriate tattoo slip through in one of his main characters; so it is not insignificant. I think it could be a moth. Have just checked out moth&myth and some beliefs start to sound pretty relevant. In Europe it is a symbol of death; in Jamaica it represents a "soul not at rest"; in Hinduism it is believed that a moth "dies a living death" when it falls into a flame. What think you?


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