Coruscant or Pandora?
 

Which world would you like to live on, Coruscant, the mega-city-planet of Star Wars or Pandora?

On Coruscant you live in the midst of a vast empire and you can meet and learn from the most amazing creatures from a lot of worlds. Here you can be at the center of things all the time and you can always find something to do or see.
The drawback is ofcourse that there is no natural environment left on Coruscant, only glass, steel, concrete and other artificial materials. You have no wilderness, no wild plants or wild animals, no forests, no streams, nothing, just a desert of man made materials.

On Pandora you have the true unspoilt wilderness, you have forests, streams, oceans and mystical mountains. You have a rich biodiversity with a multitude of exciting animals and beautiful plants. And you have the wonderful unity with the Na vi and with Eywa. The drawback is that you are somewhat isolated, you have few chanses to leave and your knowledge will be restricted mostly to Pandora and its life.

Which would you prefer?

Coruscant. Entire Star Wars Universe > Pandora any day.

Pandora, of course. Why is this even a question?
Star Wars is overrated to be completely honest.

Star Wars isn't overrated.

Definitely Pandora.

And the flamewar is on!

I must say, out of all 'fictional' worlds I have gotten immersed in, Pandora is the one that by far holds the most value to me. I do love Star Wars, and there are many worlds there I find absolutely amazing - but Coruscant is absolutely not one of them.

I have strong, hateful feelings towards civilization, technological development, the eradication of nature... coruscant simply represent things I would never accept. In fact, I'd much rather live on Earth than Coruscant - and that's saying a lot. :P

When it comes to other planets of Star Wars though - some of them would be amazing to live on. ;)

There is no choice.

One of those is like the home I never had.

The other is merely scrap.

Never seen Star Wars.

Oh, this should be fun.

**grabs popcorn and flame-retardant suit**

Haha, I love how much my never having seen Star Wars pisses people off. :-)

this ^^

Its a fairly interesting universe but its not THAT good.

and to answer the question: Pandora

I love Star Wars - especially the Expanded Universe (novels, games, graphic novels etc.) The computer game Knights of the Old Republic is the grand example of this - few games have ever touched me so deeply as this.

And there certainly are elements in Star Wars that trigger feelings of escapism for me. Still, Pandora has affected me like nothing else, so the choice is easy. ;)

I would say that the SW universe is a lot more vivid and expands a lot more than Avatar's, Coruscant isn't doing it justice.. IMO <--- Do you see that, then thanks.

I'd still choose Pandora though.

Definitely Pandora. Even without avatar body it's pure win.

Pandora

this is such a dumb question (no offence, just my opinion) because to comapre on an Avatar forum, the lovely Pandora full of forest, floating mountains and bioluminescent life with a shiit hole planet completely covered in city is just...well this is set to fail

just to give a comparison, IMO the onle planet which comes close to Pandora is Naboo but still is far far away from being Pandora

If by vivid you mean amount of variation and diversity, then yes, definitely. ;) But then again, SW's been around for a very long time and has had time to grow.

One has to remember though, that the nature of the universe itself, and the way it affects you, are two completely different things. There are many fictional works I can enjoy more than Avatar from some perspectives - but NONE has affected me in the way Avatar has - it's unique in many ways.

tm20 - as I said in my above post, though - one can see fictional universes and worlds from a whole lot of perspectives and viewpoints. Pandora might be wonderful and amazing in some regards, and other fictional words in other regards - it's not all black and white. ;)

Yes, SW has its 6 films behind itself. George Lucas created entire solar systems and galaxies filled with planets with their own unique exterior and inhabitants, JC created Pandora and the Na'vi (and 2154 Earth + technology, if that should count.) I'm not JC, but I'm doubtful that he will ever expand his world to the level of George (or Tolkien), nor do I see why he should, it's great as it is. :)
Just my two cents.

I vaguely remember reading an article which mentioned that someone on the production of Avatar had some kind of 'vehicles and creatures of Star Wars' book and Cameron saw it and said something to the effect of 'we can do better than this...'

I think he has universe-building ambitions.

I can be wrong but George Lucas bought that universe from some random unknown sf writer :P

Frank Herbert of Dune fame was weighing up the pros and cons of suing George Lucas before he died.

So he didn't pay for it ? if so then it's even worse then i thought.

This is kind of a dangerous game for any Avatar fan to take because even I can't deny that Avatar wears a lot of its SF influences on its sleeve (Le Guin, Anderson, Heinlein...). That said, Cameron has been honest and open about this from the start ("Avatar is influenced by every science fiction story I read as a kid...")

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You could get a ship from Coruscant to just about anywhere in this galaxy.

Still not interested :P,

Let me know about ship to pandora :)

I think one of the other things that factors in for me is the creatures.

As some of you know, I'm really into biology, and while these may be films, whenever I see an animal/plant/organism, real or not, I like trying to rationalize/analyze how it might exist if it were real, because that deepens the escapism value of the fiction for me.

When I look at Star Wars, I see lots of cool creatures and races, but they're never really explained in depth, and so they are harder to rationalize, making the suspension of disbelief more difficult.

When I look at Pandora, I see far less "material" than Star Wars strictly in terms of volume of different organisms, but what's there is intricately designed, described, and rationalized even before I rationalize it myself. This makes it all the more fun to try and analyze them, because there's a reward at the end of it in that "Aha!" moment when I realize why something about a creature makes sense, like why Hammerhead Titanotheres have the different colored signaling flaps.

I agree completely. With almost all science fiction films it's just about 'hey let's put in some cool freaky looking creatures' with no attempt to consider physiology or phylogeny or how they would fit into the ecosystem as a whole. The makers of Avatar actually took the time to consider things like that while still striving to produce beautiful and exciting designs. That's not the same as saying that everything in the film makes sense biologically, but the fact that they actually tried to work this sort of stuff out at all means that the resultant organisms are miles more believable than what we usually get. Definitely a cut above the rest.

Hit up wookiepedia in depth.

QFT
Although the star wars universe is only marginally epic and huge in the films, you really get into the awesome stuff when you read about the history and numerous different planets, cultures, and races.

Lets see........PANDORA!!!!

Hours can be wasted jumping from article to article...

I really like the cities in Star Wars, really amazing and inspiring though, but it would be too much for me already living in a metropolis. I wouldn't be able to see or live in another one, bigger this time. But I would like it because it's my favorite Sci-Fi city after Metropolis. Oh, I hate myself when getting in contradictions... :xD:

Of course, Pandora for first. I'd very much love to experience a real natural life, getting independent of technologies and daily monotoneus life, learning to find my spirit inside a proper environment.

I look at this thread, and I wonder...

What has happened to ToS?

It's something I barely recognise any more :'(
I think of the days when we were all united by our longing for home, and I look at threads like this and I cry.

Have people really forgotten what Avatar means to them?
This shouldn't have ever been a question. There's a reason this forum is about Avatar, not whatever thing there is in star wars. If you really prefer star wars, then I don't see why you're on an AVATAR forum. This reminds me of a certain ex-moderator, who liked another sci-fi TV series.

Just because people love Avatar, it doesn't mean they cannot love anything else. I love Avatar. I love Star Wars. They are hardly exclusive.

And really - the magic of Avatar is not gone, and people have not forgot what it means to them - rather, Avatar has become such a natural part of our lives that our love for it goes past the movie itself - and this is a good thing.

Compare it to a traditional 'relationship' - the first years or months the two partners are up over their ears in love with each other, with a huge amount of passion, love, and lust. After this time, the more visible and direct love gets weaker, and a more reliable, trusting and long-term of love grows forth.

It's the same thing, I think, with many here concerning Avatar. It has not lost its magic, we have not lost our interest in it - it's the plain opposite, it's just not visible. Avatar affects our lives in ways far beyond the actual movie, content or world - it is so much deeper than that, and not always obvious.

Eltu you speak the truth ma Tsmukan. We all have likings for other things except for Avatar, that's why we are such a diverse family, which is a good thing in the long run. Avatar will always be part of our lives and it has changed many of us but you can be secure enough in your love to be able to look at other things in the meantime..It doesn't mean that Avatar is forgotten.

To get back on topic. I would easily say Pandora..Big urban metropolis's don't intrigue me at all. I would of thought that Naboo would of been a better pick. ;)

With your analogy, I don't know of any relationship where that is then an excuse to start saying that other people are better. Anyway, to be completely honest, going off someone is in part created by the need to sell people things. I love Avatar, and I've watched Star Wars and while it wasn't all that impressive, it was an average distraction for a few hours, before I even watched Avatar, but I'm fairly sure that if I went onto a Star Wars forum and asked them if Pandora was better, I'd get trolled and/or banned.

I've never seen Coruscant (well, I probably did, but I didn't know what it was as I've only watched all the films once), but that description basically makes it sound the same as Earth in Avatar. Do you need to watch Avatar again?


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Think about that.

The anology was concerning people "losing their love for Avatar" and had nothing to do with the Star Wars comparison. ;)

HumanNoMore - you talk as if you hold the truth to what everyone should think of Avatar and how they should interpret it. Different people sees it in different ways, enjoys different aspects of it, sees different messages. Think about that for a moment.

I really hope this won't start into something more than a simple disagreement..:S