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applejuice 04-12-2011 03:56 AM

Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

Isard 04-12-2011 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138961)
Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

Exactly, and if we continue to promote sex education and fund groups like Planned Parenthood, unintentional pregnancies will slowly but steadily fall. Oh, wait, except we're halting sex ed and defending Planned Parenthood. herp derp.

Pa'li Makto 04-12-2011 03:59 AM

Low poverty..
Kind of, if you can even afford a house or to be able to rent one. >.<
Other than that, we aren't doing that bad.. Our conservatives mainly concern themselves with video game classification and the like. As far as I know, we're the only western country without a R rating. :S

Banefull 04-12-2011 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138961)
To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

The scary thing is: 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Worldwide, approximately 42 million abortions occur per year.

applejuice 04-12-2011 04:14 AM

Halting sex ed??? Are we going backwards?
Abortion is such a controversial issue... I think like this: Women do have the right to decide what to do with their bodies, no doubt about it. However, pregnancy involves another potential human being. From the moral point of view, as I have explained, a conception through rape is something that should have never happened, then the creature resulting from this should have never existed. On the other hand, when a woman goes to a party to have sex with whoever she wants and gets pregnant is completely different, to begin, the sex encounter was supposed to happen and, therefore, the risks taken were known. So, if that woman gets an abortion is criminal, because the creature resulting from this was not the product of a crime, the creature, in this case, IMHO deserves full protection from the Law.
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Originally Posted by Banefull (Post 138969)
The scary thing is: 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Worldwide, approximately 42 million abortions occur per year.

Those are scary numbers, what a waste of human lives...

Disco Scratch 04-12-2011 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138961)
Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

April 14th is the closely approaching anniversary and it is something that weighs heavily on my mind especially in the month of April.

In today’s age of partying and “hooking up” abortion has become the ultimate form of birth control. If there’s a lack of contraceptive involved women can’t have the view that “O’well I’ll just have an abortion I’ve already have five this year anyways.” Then again if abortion is illegalized only to the exception of those who are rape victims then every woman who shows up for an abortion will say they’ve been raped if it’s true or not.

The only reason abortion should even be on the table is in the instance that doctors are able to confirm without a shadow of a doubt that the unborn child will be underdeveloped in an inhumane way, which would render the child incapable of living a meaningful life. If the child is going to be a vegetable its entire life I could see why the parents may make the mutual decision to abort the pregnancy. Sure, you could go through with that sort of pregnancy, but the inescapable reality is that both parents will eventually get old and will become unable to take care of this child who needs care 24/7 from now on. So that’s the only area where an abortion should even be considered.

For those who accidently get pregnant they should not be able to view abortion as a way to “fix the problem.” If you give them that right then that’s what it’ll be. If you don’t want children don’t have sex, use the proper contraceptives if you do, or get fixed so you can’t. SIMPLE!

For those who are rape victims… the majority of real rapes end with the woman being found dead so pregnancy really isn’t an issue.

applejuice 04-12-2011 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Enigma (Post 138989)

For those who accidently get pregnant they should not be able to view abortion as a way to “fix the problem.” If you give them that right then that’s what it’ll be. If you don’t want children don’t have sex, use the proper contraceptives if you do, or get fixed so you can’t. SIMPLE!

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000
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For those who are rape victims… the majority of real rapes end with the woman being found dead so pregnancy really isn’t an issue.
In my city, most rapist are close relatives. Regulation should be that a woman, in order to get an abortion, should have the crime reported to local authorities, which then should investigate if there was such a crime... far from ideal... given the time restraints, but it's much better than leaving it to each one's criteria.

Icu 04-12-2011 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Enigma (Post 138989)
\the majority of real rapes end with the woman being found dead so pregnancy really isn’t an issue.

There's no way I'll believe this unless you give me a solid statistic/source.

Edit: I found a source of my own. "A very small number of rape victims are murdered: about .01 percent (that figure includes unreported as well as reported rapes)."

http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm

And from another "What is clear is that in percentage terms very, very few rape victims do get murdered."

Disco Scratch 04-12-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138994)
In my city, most rapist are close relatives.

In my city “rape” comes about when a woman doesn’t get her way.

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138994)
Regulation should be that a woman, in order to get an abortion, should have the crime reported to local authorities, which then should investigate if there was such a crime...

I could accept that. If a woman has been raped and does not end up dead she should immediately file a report and go through the proper motions. In that case going to a hospital soon after being raped could stop any rape made pregnancy before it occurs making an abortion unnecessary.

Another of my personal opinions is that all males should be given the option to have a vasectomy when they turn 18. Not a subject most guys want to talk about I know. It’s a routine operation that can be reversed in the event that the male decides he wants children. When you get a vasectomy they give you the option to freeze some of your sperm just incase.

Instead of killing accidental life I would rather have the option of preventing it when it’s unwanted.

Woodsprite 04-12-2011 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 138961)
Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child.

I personally know about 16 women who would strongly disagree with you.

Grif 04-12-2011 05:28 AM

I would hope that a woman would get herself checked before the 20 week limit after being raped, but I still think that not including the rape exception is wrong. I have a bizar outlook on abortion. See people say that life begins at conception, well I don't think that a single cell can really be said to have "life," I mean yes it is a living cell but come on. Now the rest of us believe that a certain point that this mass of cells is now an organism with "life," but is it really? The neurological connections that we create are what gives on consciousness, they are what makes us people. So at some point we start to make those, they're basic at first but they are there. That's the point when I think a fetus becomes a person. Now it could be argued that before that point there is the potential for that fetus to become a person. Screw that, you could extend that argument to me saying "I've got sperm, you've got an egg, if we don't have sex then we are killing a potential child." It just doesn't work that way.

Isard 04-12-2011 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite (Post 139002)
I personally know about 16 women who would strongly disagree with you.

Yes, and we should force their view on EVERY SINGLE WOMAN out there.

Woodsprite 04-12-2011 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 139005)
Yes, and we should force their view on EVERY SINGLE WOMAN out there.

You've obviously never been in the position I've been in, so kindly step out of the thread and contemplate the meaning of what abortion does psychologically to a woman before forcing your sexist, masculine-superiority complex over those you see as "more worthy than others."

Thank you, by the way, for reading the post I made after the one you quoted. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about concerning abortion. No idea.


EDIT: Also, how about you take a look at what people really do think.

Icu 04-12-2011 05:43 AM

So what... everyone who isn't in "Woodsprite's position" isn't allowed to form opinions? You, as a single person, and a man at that, are not the single authority on what rape does to women. There are those who understand it just as well as you do (and better in the case that they're a victim personally) who disagree. So are they just...wrong in their feelings?

zongtseng 04-12-2011 05:50 AM

Moved. And be civil, or go elsewhere.


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