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Stanley_9875 03-21-2010 09:38 PM

Why Are The Other Na'vi Women...
 
not as gorgeous as Neytiri? I noticed this a lot during my last viewings, I liked to see what other stuff I'm missing throughout the movie, and whenever there was a crowd of Na'vi people, I looked at all the other Na'vi and noticed there wasn't any other Na'vi woman as gorgeous as Neytiri... why do you think this is? Is it so we wouldn't take our attention off Neytiri? And why physically aren't they as beautiful?

rapunzel77 03-21-2010 09:49 PM

It also can be that they were being realistic. Not everyone is very beautiful. Or I guess I should say that there are probably more plain looking people than very beautiful. The outside doesn't count as much as the inside.

Very sorry, accidentally deleted a part of your message. I pressed the stupid "Edit" button instead of the stupid "Quote" button. I'm tired. :(

I apologize,
Eltu

Fkeu'itan 03-21-2010 09:49 PM

Well I personally think the others were beautiful, but maybe that's just me... ;)

I think because Neytiri's a main character and the one we (and Jake) are supposed to fall in love with, making her more beautiful than the other Na'vi females would only make sense.

Stanley_9875 03-21-2010 10:09 PM

I thought that all the Na'vi were beautiful... very beautiful inside and out, just not as beautiful as Neytiri... maybe its because I got to know Neytiri so well, her personality and such, whereas the other Na'vi I didn't. I cried when Jake was narating what Neytiri told him, "She says that all energy is only borrowed, and one day you have to give it back" and it has the Na'vi all around singing, and Neytiri gently lets a flower float down on a Na'vi elder in the ground, I cried when I saw that. Just the effect that Neytiri's words (that Jake told us) on my heart, and seeing all the Na'vi around the elder, and seeing a beautiful Na'vi dead just... had such an effect on my heart and soul. I may just not be listening to all that is in my mind, I find all the Na'vi beautiful :D

Human No More 03-22-2010 08:36 AM

There will always be exceptional individuals. As it is, I certainly noticed some of the other Na'vi women, even if Neytiri is better.

Fosus 03-22-2010 07:24 PM

The fact is: Only Neytiri is perfect..

Eltu 03-22-2010 07:29 PM

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It also can be that they were being realistic. Not everyone is very beautiful. Or I guess I should say that there are probably more plain looking people than very beautiful. The outside doesn't count as much as the inside.
I strongly disagree here.

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, and saying that "not everyone is very beautiful" is saying that everyone on Earth has the same view on beauty as you have. Which is definitely not the case.

:P

Seamus 03-22-2010 07:41 PM

As for "not as physically beautiful", I think the one walking right behind Neytiri when she brings Jake to hometree for the first time, has a nicer shape. (hubba hubba) I also think part of it is that Neytiri was made to look a little more human than most of the others, to facilitate our Mass Fantasy Bonding Experience ;) I mean, she even has eyebrow-lines, though none of the Na'vi actually have eyebrows.

Chris 03-22-2010 08:39 PM

well i noticed that as well - thats most of the 'stand ins' appears to be fugly compared to the main characters - goes for both male & female :)

Sovereign 03-22-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 7932)
well i noticed that as well - thats most of the 'stand ins' appears to be fugly compared to the main characters - goes for both male & female :)

This is normal for movies... :D

Immo39 03-23-2010 12:24 PM

I think JC wanted his viewers to concentrate on Neytiri, and not let any particular Na'vi steal any bit of limelight from her :)

Stanley_9875 03-24-2010 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Immo39 (Post 8588)
I think JC wanted his viewers to concentrate on Neytiri, and not let any particular Na'vi steal any bit of limelight from her :)

Well it worked! But there's still that connection that I have for all of The People... That connection of love they have for each other and for the nature. They are so beautiful inside

Gunny 03-24-2010 07:32 AM

I agree, one of my viewing I made it a purpose to view the Na'vi in the background and some were quite ugly to be frank. Possibly the human form of that person did not transfer to Na'vi very well Im not sure but most if not all did not measure up to Neytiri at all. :D

Seshat Tsahìk 03-25-2010 12:21 AM

Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder!

I would say I noticed that as well, and agree with everyone. What I noticed though even though her face is painted at the time we see her, is that Sea Ikran Clan Leader, is quite striking. I suspect that if she is to play more of a role in the sequels, we will see a perfected beauty there as well, maybe even enough to give Neytiri some competion? ;)

Pa'li Makto 03-25-2010 12:31 AM

I think that they were intentionally meant to serve as background people, hence due to the lack of screentime on them, they weren't meant to stand out as much as Neytiri or Mo'at.
A shame really, how can we fully appreciate Na'vi culture without looking at all of the community?
I think all the Na'vi are awe inspiring, both appearance and personality wise and as a social group.
They are a communal bunch which brings our individualist society to shame.
;)

Stanley_9875 03-25-2010 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto (Post 9486)
I think that they were intentionally meant to serve as background people, hence due to the lack of screentime on them, they weren't meant to stand out as much as Neytiri or Mo'at.
A shame really, how can we fully appreciate Na'vi culture without looking at all of the community?
I think all the Na'vi are awe inspiring, both appearance and personality wise and as a social group.
They are a communal bunch which brings our individualist society to shame.
;)

One of the reasons I love the Activist Survival Guide it gives so much insite to the Na'vi and their way of life. How I wish I could live with them...

Hopefully Cameron will show us more in Avatar 2!

Seamus 03-26-2010 03:10 AM

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but the Na'vi society is more individualized than our own. They each have an indisputable connection with Eywa. And thus they are free to be who they are, much more so than we humans who feel the need to 'belong' to a group to help us with our identity. Sure, they conform to a degree, but nothing like the herd mentality that rules us humans. Well, I should say, most humans, because we are some of the forward guard in that respect.

Seshat Tsahìk 03-26-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus (Post 9969)
Not to hijack the thread or anything, but the Na'vi society is more individualized than our own. They each have an indisputable connection with Eywa. And thus they are free to be who they are, much more so than we humans who feel the need to 'belong' to a group to help us with our identity. Sure, they conform to a degree, but nothing like the herd mentality that rules us humans. Well, I should say, most humans, because we are some of the forward guard in that respect.

I apologize ahead, but I would beg to differ, what I saw and appreciated greatly about the Na'Vi culture was a surrending of indvidualization to the higher principle of 'collective unity', its the disconnection from this, the feeling 'alone' that contributes to this worlds belief in separation.

Human No More 03-26-2010 05:53 PM

I think it's both in a way. They are far more accepting and understanding of individuals, while at the same time having a shared sense of belonging.

Seamus 03-27-2010 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 10316)
I think it's both in a way. They are far more accepting and understanding of individuals, while at the same time having a shared sense of belonging.

Yes, I think you're expressing it better. They exist as whole individuals and yet exist in a society with few barriers between its members. It is more balanced than either what Western Civ. has to offer, or the concept of a "commune" where you submit your will to a majority.

Pa'li Makto 03-27-2010 07:03 AM

Not really, what I meant was the Na'vi having a communal social framework where the greater good comes before the individual, hence the group before the individual.
The individual is unselfish and giving, the way things work best.

Seamus 03-28-2010 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto (Post 10600)
Not really, what I meant was the Na'vi having a communal social framework where the greater good comes before the individual, hence the group before the individual.
The individual is unselfish and giving, the way things work best.

I would agree with everything, perhaps with the small exception that "the greater good comes before the individual".

I do not differ with this because of a presumed importance of the individual. What I mean is that Eywa runs her planet efficiently enough so that the greatest good includes individual good, rather than being opposed to it.

In fact, individual Good, in the truest sense, is never in opposition to the greatest good. It is the egocentric mindset with which Westerners are raised that gives them the idea that what is good for them is different from what is good for all. For example, the scene in which the Na'vi elder is buried, comes as a natural and normal part of life. The well-being of the elder is not in doubt, for they will live on in Eywa. Nothing valuable is ever wasted on Pandora.

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Originally Posted by Seshat Tsahìk (Post 10302)
I apologize ahead, but I would beg to differ, what I saw and appreciated greatly about the Na'Vi culture was a surrending of indvidualization to the higher principle of 'collective unity', its the disconnection from this, the feeling 'alone' that contributes to this worlds belief in separation.

No need to apologize. We're just trying to figure out what and who we really are in the greater picture of existence, after all. I am pretty certain that many of my beliefs will change in the next 5 years, and the same is probably true for you, because we are all growing, and growth means change.

JakeFanGirl 04-02-2010 08:18 PM

Yes, this thread is hijacked! LOL! Anyway, Aside from the main characters, the other Na'vi were just background and as such were rather indiscript.

We did notice other interesting clan leaders when Jake was uniting the clans - that one leader of the savanah people who had a bone through his nose, and of course the female leader of the clan that lived by the sea. I am sure there is much more to the Na'vi and their culture than we know now.


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