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Pa'li Makto 10-11-2011 01:02 AM

Why don't we look at some slogans that protesters are putting up in the movement and we can see what the intentions of the people here are.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...69_634x414.jpg

http://www.3news.co.nz/Portals/0-Art...street-2-2.jpg

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/wp-c...ry-wall-st.jpg

They have reasonable demands..Democratic demands.
It seems like there aren't just students in this movement Iron Jones. You have ex servicemen, families, workers ect.

Here's a link: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...treet-protests

Pa'li Makto 10-11-2011 01:08 AM

http://www.bet.com/content/betcom/ne...on-workers.jpg

Workers are there as well.

Union Workers Add Strength to Occupy Wall Street March | News | BET

Isard 10-11-2011 01:50 AM

I think bankers have actually manged to piss off every demographic in the country.

Pa'li Makto 10-11-2011 01:52 AM

It's no surprise. The economic crisis has hit almost every one in the country..

Moco Loco 10-11-2011 02:40 AM

I've always been afraid of crazy student debt :( I stay away from it and go to my cheapy local school, UNO :D

Cyvaris 10-11-2011 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Moco Loco (Post 159668)
I've always been afraid of crazy student debt :( I stay away from it and go to my cheapy local school, UNO :D

Tuition prices are inconceivable! I too am going to the "cheapy" local University. Currently I get about $10,000 worth of scholarships a semester, and you know what, I STILL pay out of pocket for tuition. Sure its always under $500, but I still have to buy books. Good books alone are usually $1000. There is a monopoly that needs to be targeted. I sympathize with all the protesters who are focusing on tuition. It doesn't matter if you majored in something worthwhile or not, the odds of getting out of University without debt are minuscule.

Anyway I just spent the day setting up and getting ready for my areas Occupy event. By the end of the week we plan to have a crowd gathering daily.

iron_jones 10-11-2011 03:33 AM

The price of books is ****ing outrageous.

Pa'li Makto 10-11-2011 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 159671)

Anyway I just spent the day setting up and getting ready for my areas Occupy event. By the end of the week we plan to have a crowd gathering daily.

Good on you tsmukan. :) Hopefully there's a good turnout. It's a huge rip off that students are being burdened with so much debt. Over here if you want to be a doctor you accumulate $10 000 per year of uni debt and the course goes from anywhere from 4-6 years..If you want another degree or an honours then it's even more money that you have to pay back.

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 159673)
The price of books is ****ing outrageous.

Exactly. University students need to buy 4-5 books at least per semester and the books are usually $100 or more. Then you have to pay money for transport and even more if you have to pay bills and rent. That's why the university student is normally in a unique state of poverty..Living on noodles and rice and such..I know a few uni mates who do this.

Cyvaris 10-11-2011 11:59 AM

I'm paying $10000 a semester to become an Environmental Policy...ier...person...maker...person who does Environmental stuff. What's worse is I plan to go to Law School after I graduate!

We had a decent turnout yesterday and it looks like the next couple of nights will involve lots of meetings and organizing. We should be out and on the streets by the weekend.

auroraglacialis 10-11-2011 01:08 PM

These school costs are crazy. I do not blame people to at least want what is common here. I paid about 100€ per semester for the student organization at the uni and occasionally some money for books that were not available at the student library plus the money for travel to do field trips. Oh and about 100€ or so for paper, a geologists hammer and compass. And that university is not one of the worst at all. In fact it has gotten an "excellency award". For the last 5 years though, there is an (in the eyes of students outrageously high) tuition of 500€ per semester, but that is crumbling again.

Maybe this is "socialist" or "communist", but I think it is a very fair and good thing to give all students - poor or rich - the opportunity to study whatever they want without loading themselves in debt.

Oh and its not even just working people, students, soldiers,... its the elders as well: :D
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...ad-as-hell.jpg

ZenitYerkes 10-11-2011 04:40 PM

I don't care about reforms coming from the right or the left wing anymore, I want reforms to deal with problems and sort them out. I want practical solutions, whatever the color, wherever they come from; for as long as it makes our lives easier and our society fairer.

The common people, us, can't change society right here and right now because we have been left powerless in the only two ways we could make a stand: politics and economics.

On politics, democracy is working in such way that two parties are always even and always opposing, leading to decisions being made by a really small difference of votes, and with a constant opposition by the rest of the "loser" party. Demonstrations, signatures, any way of direct action is meaningless or illegal; it's not the people who decides but their representatives.

On economics we can't act upon our own sense of morals and justice without being dismissed for it and replaced by anyone else with less concerns about anything they're asked to do or how it could affect their society. It seems as though the deal is about us and not the market's demands. Making this situation even worse is unemployment, what restricts our choice even more and leads to us working in jobs we need but are a waste of time and effort, or live without a regular income or any safety for the future.

Who's causing this?

If I'm not agreeing with actually occupying Wall Street it's because it's not a single problem and it's not a single person, or a group of persons.

A great part of the problem is that there is one, but nobody knows how to target the cause. It's like having the symptoms and knowing that the person is ill, but not knowing the disease -and giving the patient the wrong medicine will either make him worse, or kill him.

This is the part we must be the most careful about. We cannot make mistakes on determining what is exactly causing this "global pandemic" if we want to solve it, in spite of how difficult it is; but we can't either just stay arms crossed, ignoring the problem and keep giving the ill painkillers like we've been doing to the present moment.

We will be only making the agony longer.

We know things are bad. But when are we going to make happen and put in common our goals and solutions to deal with it?

Again. I don't care what is your side, what you believe in or which is your income. If you have a solution that is practical, if you know how to deal with the problem; that's a solution I want to count on.

Isard 10-12-2011 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 159721)
These school costs are crazy. I do not blame people to at least want what is common here. I paid about 100€ per semester for the student organization at the uni and occasionally some money for books that were not available at the student library plus the money for travel to do field trips. Oh and about 100€ or so for paper, a geologists hammer and compass. And that university is not one of the worst at all. In fact it has gotten an "excellency award". For the last 5 years though, there is an (in the eyes of students outrageously high) tuition of 500€ per semester, but that is crumbling again.

Maybe this is "socialist" or "communist", but I think it is a very fair and good thing to give all students - poor or rich - the opportunity to study whatever they want without loading themselves in debt.

Oh and its not even just working people, students, soldiers,... its the elders as well: :D
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...ad-as-hell.jpg



You're thinking of socialism, we've covered communism and why it doesn't work.

Moco Loco 10-12-2011 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyvaris (Post 159671)
Tuition prices are inconceivable! I too am going to the "cheapy" local University. Currently I get about $10,000 worth of scholarships a semester, and you know what, I STILL pay out of pocket for tuition. Sure its always under $500, but I still have to buy books. Good books alone are usually $1000. There is a monopoly that needs to be targeted. I sympathize with all the protesters who are focusing on tuition. It doesn't matter if you majored in something worthwhile or not, the odds of getting out of University without debt are minuscule.

Anyway I just spent the day setting up and getting ready for my areas Occupy event. By the end of the week we plan to have a crowd gathering daily.

For real. I don't have a job to make a little extra money, I have a job to stay out of debt :stare: The movement here is sort of small and unorganized. They couldn't have picked a worse time to have it as far as students are concerned, midterm season :xD: except maybe final exams :S I won't be able to participate, also, I don't feel well informed enough in general about current politics to do so. It's all a little philosophical ;)

Human No More 10-12-2011 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 159579)
So far, what I've seen is a lot of hippies upset about the fact they are in deep debt because they went to an IVY League institute, majored in philosophy and can't find a job.

Not to say there aren't some good points being made.

Exactly. It's a case of people with entitlement wanting their lifestyle to be subsidised.

As for signs, 'billionaires, your time is up' - seems like communism to me.

Pa'li Makto 10-12-2011 10:57 AM

Hey that's really unfair..Haven't you looked into the movement at all. It's widespread and involving so many different types of people. I find your assumptions to be pretty insulting to people in the USA who have suffered more then people in the UK and Australia.

You have to realise HNM, communism is more like this: "a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party." Why should billionaires be more privileged then every other person in the country? It's not democratic at all..and the fury towards billionaires and corporate greed doesn't have to be communist/left wing/anarchist. You have decent human beings here.


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