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Theorist 11-15-2011 11:03 PM

This is unfortunate news
 
Cornell Chronicle: Species extinction bad for our health - StumbleUpon

More PAthogens with less biodiversity

Empty Glass 11-15-2011 11:41 PM

There's probably some fabricated counter-study by a hack lobbying group out there by now. :gmad: Don't worry people, species loss is actually good for your health...

Aquaplant 11-16-2011 10:29 AM

If we could achieve some good with the bad, then might as well get rid of flies and mosquitoes in the process. I don't think there are any animals that I'd want gone aside from those.

Clarke 11-16-2011 03:26 PM

IIRC, someone designed an anti-mosquito laser to stop malaria from spreading. :awesome:

Marvellous Chester 11-16-2011 05:13 PM

I remember reading about this :( Our heavily diseased descendants will hopefully look back at us and seethe with rage. Everything has it's place, even flies and mosquitoes, they are somethings prey.

Raiden 11-16-2011 06:10 PM

No, the mosquito thing was different.

Scientists somewhere genetically modified the species most likely to carry malaria so that they would survive better than the wild type, and also engineered in a gene that causes them to be less hospitable places for the malaria protozoans to hide.

This, IMO, was incredibly stupid for 2 reasons.

1) They did it to drive down the death rate from Malaria. This in itself is a noble cause, but malaria is one of the last potent checks to the human population, and since we don't seem to be anywhere near enforcing birthrate limitation laws, the population will skyrocket if it works, and then future humans will be cursing us anyway when billions of them die to some super-mutated flu virus instead of a few hundred thousand or so to a parasite that is easy to avoid.

2) Making a difference between the safety/hospitality of one mosquito to the others different is like asking for stronger Plasmodium parasites. One of the easiest ways to jump start natural selection is to make a habitat (the innards of a mosquito, in this case) more or less inhospitable to a certain species or to a certain strain of a species.


That may have seemed off topic, but it really wasn't. The only way to actually halt the loss of biodiversity and stop these things from happening is to stop messing with the ecosystem in general.

It's a tall order, but if we stopped all the things we were doing globally to the planet right now that were overly harmful, we would be just fine. Of course, that means to immediately stop having babies for one, which would never happen. :/

Moco Loco 11-16-2011 06:32 PM

*shakes fist at the babies*

Really, what wouldn't be better with a lower population :P

Human No More 11-16-2011 06:51 PM

Nothing... it would help with every single problem in the world :(

Clarke 11-16-2011 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiden (Post 163084)
No, the mosquito thing was different.

I heard about the GM mosquitos, and I mean it was someone else with the laser beam.

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It's a tall order, but if we stopped all the things we were doing globally to the planet right now that were overly harmful, we would be just fine. Of course, that means to immediately stop having babies for one, which would never happen. :/
Just to put things in perspective, this is harder than going to Mars. :P Unless you want to conquer the world, we don't even have the infrastructure to even try anything major about slowing down population growth.

Aquaplant 11-16-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarke (Post 163077)
IIRC, someone designed an anti-mosquito laser to stop malaria from spreading. :awesome:

Pew pew laser cannon!

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Originally Posted by The Silver Stag (Post 163080)
I remember reading about this :( Our heavily diseased descendants will hopefully look back at us and seethe with rage. Everything has it's place, even flies and mosquitoes, they are somethings prey.

Useful animals and the non annoying variety are also be part of the food chain, so we don't really need to have the annoying ones around. Just have more of the useful ones like bees, butterflies, dragonflies, ladybugs and stuff.

Theorist 11-16-2011 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Moco Loco (Post 163087)
*shakes fist at the babies*

Really, what wouldn't be better with a lower population :P

My chances of finding a women.


...wait damnit, I just dissed myself.

But in my opinion, human interference with the environment, like using certain animals to control other animal populations, like that raiden is talking about, etc seem to be short sighted and usually don't end up going according to plan, simply because of how many factors there are to take account of.

Moco Loco 11-16-2011 09:25 PM

You know your chances would be exactly the same :P unless of course you plan on meeting around 500 million or more females in your life :xD:

Theorist 11-16-2011 10:04 PM

I think that'd be considered death by snu-snu :)

(Futurama joke)

Raiden 11-17-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 163110)
we don't really need to have the annoying ones around.

If it lived here before us, it has a right to live, no matter how annoying it is. And, no matter how useless it seems, every organism in the world is important to another.

If you eradicated all the mosquitoes, bats would largely go extinct, as would craneflies and dragonflies, which prey on them as well.

Aquaplant 11-17-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiden (Post 163172)
If it lived here before us, it has a right to live, no matter how annoying it is. And, no matter how useless it seems, every organism in the world is important to another.

If you eradicated all the mosquitoes, bats would largely go extinct, as would craneflies and dragonflies, which prey on them as well.

Cool, I need to set up a spider lair and a dragonfly hive to make a biological countermeasures against mosquitoes in the summer. Too bad that's about as unpractical as the prospect of getting rid of mosquitoes altogether.

And people wonder why I have issues with nature...

How about I just turn myself into cold-blooded lizard so mosquitoes will no longer bother me? Would that work?


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