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Isard 11-21-2011 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Advent (Post 163565)
I'm talking about something that we've actually caused, Isard.


I really don't have the energy to push this. Needless to say, debating ifs and maybes is a useless venture at best.


I need to go be depressed now.

Moco Loco 11-21-2011 02:49 AM
To me, the amount of years here seems totally arbitrary, especially since the outcome after these years is so very vague :S

iron_jones 11-21-2011 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 163572)
I need to go be depressed now.
I'll mail you an "A Perfect Circle" CD.

Fkeu'itan 11-21-2011 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 163548)
Oil was going to run out in the 80s 90s 2000s 2010s 2020s, right? The world was going to end in 1988 1992 1994 2000 2012. When people believe something will happen, they will always keep setting the date further forwards when it doesn't turn up.
Still... Doesn't mean we don't need to start changing things for the better, to cleaner, more friendly power sources right now...

Even if the cake you have is massive, you can only take so many pieces from it. Oil is not an infinite source of power for us. Nor is it 'clean'.

iron_jones 11-21-2011 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 163577)
Even if the cake you have is massive, you can only take so many pieces from it.
Oh trust me I could probably eat the whole thing.

Theorist 11-21-2011 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 163548)


Exactly. Oil was going to run out in the 80s 90s 2000s 2010s 2020s, right? The world was going to end in 1988 1992 1994 2000 2012. When people believe something will happen, they will always keep setting the date further forwards when it doesn't turn up.
But the thing is, we may not know exactly when we are going to run out of oil, or what is going to happen, but generally we get closer and closer to what is correct.

What I'm saying is we used to think the earth was flat, then we thought it was a sphere, now we think it's an oblate spheroid. This tends to happen with science, so our predictions in the 80's or 90's aren't going to be as goo as they are today

Advent 11-21-2011 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 163577)
Still... Doesn't mean we don't need to start changing things for the better, to cleaner, more friendly power sources right now..
Exactly. There is little reason to not invest into more clean energy. Oil and Coal have several problems regardless of climate change.

Aquaplant 11-21-2011 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 163572)
I really don't have the energy to push this. Needless to say, debating ifs and maybes is a useless venture at best.
But which is wiser, to take steps forward in pitch black darkness, or stay put waiting for some sort of light source? Now the best case scenario is that the road is clear and there are no obstacles or pitfalls, but in the case of there being some, wouldn't it be safer to wait?

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I need to go be depressed now.
I just came back from there, not really a place worth your time. I hope things will get better for you too.

Isard 11-21-2011 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 163628)

I just came back from there, not really a place worth your time. I hope things will get better for you too.

I'm just mopey over the ending of Inheritance. I felt the same way when I finished Mass Effect.

Human No More 11-22-2011 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 163577)
Still... Doesn't mean we don't need to start changing things for the better, to cleaner, more friendly power sources right now...

Even if the cake you have is massive, you can only take so many pieces from it. Oil is not an infinite source of power for us. Nor is it 'clean'.
I nevr said anything other than that. However, what I did say was that people who either believe something will happen and/or want something to happen will always 'predict' it and keep shifting that 'prediction' further into the future when it turns out to be false.

Aquaplant 11-22-2011 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 163654)
I'm just mopey over the ending of Inheritance. I felt the same way when I finished Mass Effect.
Mind if I ask why?

Isard 11-22-2011 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 163707)
Mind if I ask why?
I dunno, 10 years of my life I've been following that story. Long time, all gone now.

Loverofnature 11-22-2011 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 163548)
Exactly.

All the nimbyism regarding solutions to the problem is what is endangering the world. Without that, there would not be any new coal/oil power stations built and even the ability to shut extant ones down before the end of their operational life (something this prediction does not talk about).


Exactly. Oil was going to run out in the 80s 90s 2000s 2010s 2020s, right? The world was going to end in 1988 1992 1994 2000 2012. When people believe something will happen, they will always keep setting the date further forwards when it doesn't turn up.


It's called a political agenda.
Exactly. Doom has always been around the corner according to us. and i agree with you here, HNM. Every decade it has been said.

that said, something should be done.

interestingly enough, the readings of the atmosphere read, that the atmosphere is actually retracting, which is the sign of a cooldown and not a warm up.

physics teacher told me that

Tsyal Makto 11-22-2011 08:50 AM
Greenhouse Gases Hit Record Levels; Concentrations Exceed Scientists' Worst-Case Scenarios

Aquaplant 11-22-2011 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Isard (Post 163723)
I dunno, 10 years of my life I've been following that story. Long time, all gone now.
You mean the books by Christopher Paolini?

The only thing I hate about books is the fact that they always inevitably end once you start reading them. All content, even life itself, seems so fleeting at times. I really liked the first book, so I picked up the second somewhere along the way, but have yet to delve into it, due to the reason I stated.

Maybe I should just get it done and read them all now that the series has come to official conclusion.


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