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auroraglacialis 11-26-2011 02:09 AM

Korea wants robotic prison guards
 
South Korea plans to trial robot prison guards. - Korea Real Time - WSJ
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The robots are designed to patrol the corridors of corrective institutions, monitoring conditions inside the cells. If they detect sudden or unusual activity such as violent behavior they alert human guards.
The current plan only talks about them being observers, essentially moving cameras, but I think it will not take long until one of these expensive equipments is attacked and then I can well imagine they will be equipped with "defensive weaponry" like tasers or teargas. :hmm:

Advent 11-26-2011 04:06 AM

...I don't see the problem, really.

iron_jones 11-26-2011 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 164037)
but I think it will not take long until one of these expensive equipments is attacked and then I can well imagine they will be equipped with "defensive weaponry" like tasers or teargas. :hmm:

Oh no... it would defend itself? HOW TERRIBLE! How dare we keep a robotic guard from defending itself from criminals. It's just not right.

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Originally Posted by Advent (Post 164045)
...I don't see the problem, really.

It's technology.

Tsyal Makto 11-26-2011 04:33 AM

But I bet that "defense" can be switched to "offense" with just an easy flip of a switch.

iron_jones 11-26-2011 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 164047)
But I bet that "defense" can be switched to "offense" with just an easy flip of a switch.

Human jail guards have guns...
What's the difference in a human shooting a criminal and a human telling a robot to. In the end the guard is not in harms ways and the criminal gets shot. We all win.

iron_jones 11-26-2011 04:46 AM

Woah woah woah...

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The robots are designed to patrol the corridors of corrective institutions, monitoring conditions inside the cells. If they detect sudden or unusual activity such as violent behavior they alert human guards
They alert the human guards, as in the human guards go in and take care of the situation. What in the hell is the problem with that...

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“That’s a concern. But the robots are not terminators. Their job is not cracking down on violent prisoners. They are helpers. When an inmate is in a life-threatening situation or seriously ill, he or she can reach out for help quickly,”

I understand that you think we'd be better living in straw huts and eating our own ****, Aurora, but seriously...

Tsyal Makto 11-26-2011 06:27 AM

Never underestimate the dehumanizing element. Defense is one thing, but what about say...crowd control? Having to face you opponent/target can be a self-regulating factor. It makes you see that you're opponent is human, and you're more likely to treat them as such. Using excessive force can become easier if you're looking at your opponent only through a screen. Hell, we already have a big problem with excessive force as police become more militarized, I hate to see what it's like when we begin to completely remove the human factor and emotion.

TL;DR - It makes using excessive force more likely.

iron_jones 11-26-2011 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 164055)
Defense is one thing, but what about say...crowd control?.

They don't have defense. Read the article. They're basically moving cameras that alert guards of suspicious conduct.

Advent 11-26-2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 164055)
Never underestimate the dehumanizing element. Defense is one thing, but what about say...crowd control? Having to face you opponent/target can be a self-regulating factor. It makes you see that you're opponent is human, and you're more likely to treat them as such. Using excessive force can become easier if you're looking at your opponent only through a screen. Hell, we already have a big problem with excessive force as police become more militarized, I hate to see what it's like when we begin to completely remove the human factor and emotion.

Yeah, but it is a prison, and if crowd control needs to be used, that means the prisoners are out of their cells. They're not supposed to go out of them and start riots, you know. People get put in jail for a reason. If a robot has to stop a breakout, or somesuch, like an ordinary guard, then the robot would just be doing it's job.

Tsyal Makto 11-26-2011 10:19 AM

I know it's prison, but this does set a precedent for future deployment on the streets or in police departments (that was the point I was making in the first place). The police was militarized enough as it is, further dehumanization doesn't help the situation.

Human No More 11-26-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto (Post 164047)
But I bet that "defense" can be switched to "offense" with just an easy flip of a switch.

Humans don't even need to be reprogrammed. Someone just needs to say something they dislike to them, or for them to have a bad day, or for them to be violent in nature and take such a job as a consequence of that.

This is a case of people being incapable of understanding what a robot is and being reactionary. These are likely to simply be cameras on tracks on the celling or wheels on the floor that patrol up and down aisles, not androids.
...oh, and they protect prisoners by alerting guards if someone is being beaten up or stabbed. Would you rather they simply let them get on with it instead?

Aquaplant 11-26-2011 11:45 AM

This is one of those instances where technology will not save us from ourselves. Sometimes we develop things to help us deal with the flaws within us, and at times we can be extremely successful at it, but in this case, it just helps dealing with the symptoms, not the problems that causes them.

Clarke 11-26-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquaplant (Post 164088)
This is one of those instances where technology will not save us from ourselves. Sometimes we develop things to help us deal with the flaws within us, and at times we can be extremely successful at it, but in this case, it just helps dealing with the symptoms, not the problems that causes them.

True AI is very difficult, unfortunately.

Fkeu'itan 11-26-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 164048)
Human jail guards have guns...
What's the difference in a human shooting a criminal and a human telling a robot to. In the end the guard is not in harms ways and the criminal gets shot. We all win.

This is true, especially considering everyone in jail is a serial killer.

iron_jones 11-26-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan (Post 164092)
This is true, especially considering everyone in jail is a serial killer.

I never even made the implication.


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