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Human No More 04-10-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Niri Te (Post 171853)
Rather than watch some guy of Greek heritage who's hair looks like he stuck an appendage into a 220 volt light socket sprout some hair brained scheme, we occasionally watch the LIVE FEED from the ISS. Those are REAL Astronauts, not some weird half baked theory pushed by some station looking for "out there" viewers.
Niri Te

Well said :)


The nazca lines are interesting, but ultimately no proof of aliens. It's perfectly possible to have planned them out well in advance, and even though they seem to serve no appreciable purpose, why not let them be art for art's sake? Humans have always been obsessed with great achievements - indeed, maybe they realised that one day humans might be able to see them from the air :P.

applejuice 04-17-2012 11:27 PM

So, 100 years since the sinking of the Titanic and finally History showed DOCUMENTARIES during the whole week; though they were about Titanic, at least it was a breath of fresh air among the contaminating reality shows and Ancient Aliens. And to my relief, they didn't speculate about the lights people observed on the horizon thinking that it was a ship going to rescue them, just to be disappointment again, in that sad night. Can't really say if it was in History, but I certainly watched a documentary in which the lights from the Californian were being considered of "extraterrestrial origins"

Moco Loco 04-19-2012 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sight Unseen (Post 171850)

Yay >.> I still want to watch it on my big 50" TV though.

Edit: I'm drunk and totally misunderstood the purpose of the post, as usual.

Sight Unseen 04-19-2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Moco Loco (Post 172273)
Yay >.> I still want to watch it on my big 50" TV though.

Edit: I'm drunk and totally misunderstood the purpose of the post, as usual.

Hook up your PC to your TV, choose Extend Desktop in Screen Resolution, profit.

auroraglacialis 04-19-2012 04:21 PM

Of course there were aliens on Earth about 65 million years ago. Though maybe it was a intelligent species of dinosaurs and thus not really alien as in extraterrestrial. But sadly they wiped themselves out of existence when their thought to be inherently safe Iridium reactors were bombed in a great war. Though we dont know if the material was possibly only used in the casings of these devices or if maybe they blew up because of some other reason like a solar flare. In any case, that catastrophe wiped out most life on earth and for a long time the earth was barren while the Iridium particles rained down to Earth and all remnants of their great civilization were eroded over the course of several millenia. Most present day researchers confuse this with the impacts an asteroid could have, which also contains Iridium and could cause a mass extinction and "nuclear winter", but that is only because they assume there was no intelligent life on Earth 65 million years ago.

iron_jones 04-19-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 172307)
Of course there were aliens on Earth about 65 million years ago. Though maybe it was a intelligent species of dinosaurs and thus not really alien as in extraterrestrial. But sadly they wiped themselves out of existence when their thought to be inherently safe Iridium reactors were bombed in a great war.

Source. Right now.
Go. go go go.

Niri Te 04-19-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 172307)
Of course there were aliens on Earth about 65 million years ago. Though maybe it was a intelligent species of dinosaurs and thus not really alien as in extraterrestrial. But sadly they wiped themselves out of existence when their thought to be inherently safe Iridium reactors were bombed in a great war. Though we dont know if the material was possibly only used in the casings of these devices or if maybe they blew up because of some other reason like a solar flare. In any case, that catastrophe wiped out most life on earth and for a long time the earth was barren while the Iridium particles rained down to Earth and all remnants of their great civilization were eroded over the course of several millenia. Most present day researchers confuse this with the impacts an asteroid could have, which also contains Iridium and could cause a mass extinction and "nuclear winter", but that is only because they assume there was no intelligent life on Earth 65 million years ago.

THAT story makes the Creation account in the Book of Genesis seem a LOT less "out there" ma Tsmuk
Niri Te

Clarke 04-19-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 172307)
Of course there were aliens on Earth about 65 million years ago. Though maybe it was a intelligent species of dinosaurs and thus not really alien as in extraterrestrial. But sadly they wiped themselves out of existence when their thought to be inherently safe Iridium reactors were bombed in a great war. Though we dont know if the material was possibly only used in the casings of these devices or if maybe they blew up because of some other reason like a solar flare. In any case, that catastrophe wiped out most life on earth and for a long time the earth was barren while the Iridium particles rained down to Earth and all remnants of their great civilization were eroded over the course of several millenia. Most present day researchers confuse this with the impacts an asteroid could have, which also contains Iridium and could cause a mass extinction and "nuclear winter", but that is only because they assume there was no intelligent life on Earth 65 million years ago.

Nuclear reactors are too small. ;)

Moco Loco 04-19-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sight Unseen (Post 172284)
Hook up your PC to your TV, choose Extend Desktop in Screen Resolution, profit.

I know, I don't have the right cord though. Thanks for trying to help bro.

Raptor 04-19-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 172307)
Of course there were aliens on Earth about 65 million years ago. Though maybe it was a intelligent species of dinosaurs and thus not really alien as in extraterrestrial. But sadly they wiped themselves out of existence when their thought to be inherently safe Iridium reactors were bombed in a great war. Though we dont know if the material was possibly only used in the casings of these devices or if maybe they blew up because of some other reason like a solar flare. In any case, that catastrophe wiped out most life on earth and for a long time the earth was barren while the Iridium particles rained down to Earth and all remnants of their great civilization were eroded over the course of several millenia. Most present day researchers confuse this with the impacts an asteroid could have, which also contains Iridium and could cause a mass extinction and "nuclear winter", but that is only because they assume there was no intelligent life on Earth 65 million years ago.

Oh noes, what does this mean about our nuclear reactors?????

applejuice 04-20-2012 05:35 AM

Actually, the presence of Iridium in Earth's craters is a proof of meteorites impacting the Earth. Meteorites are a source of Iridium and that has been thoroughly proved.

Niri Te 04-20-2012 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by applejuice (Post 172344)
Actually, the presence of Iridium in Earth's craters is a proof of meteorites impacting the Earth. Meteorites are a source of Iridium and that has been thoroughly proved.

Oh, I have NO problem with the meteorite impacts, I have a BIG problem with "Intelligent Life" being here before that, my Judeo christian upbringing, and my unflinching belief in the infallibility of the Bible happen to get in the way of my believing in pre Garden of Eden intelligent life.
Niri Te

Human No More 04-20-2012 08:31 AM

...she's trolling, people.

Don't feed the troll.

Niri Te 04-20-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 172350)
...she's trolling, people.

Don't feed the troll.

I am NOT trolling HNM, if someone starts talking about "intelligent" dinosaurs, and I mention that believing that takes more faith than believing in the "Garden of Eden, that does NOT make me a troll. In another thread someone mentions "one of the reasons that they hate Christianity" and they are NOT called a troll.
Niri Te

auroraglacialis 04-20-2012 03:57 PM

No, there is only a little bit or Iridium in that layer. It can well be explained by the couple of tons that were used to fuel the reactors. And of course at the time it happened there were a lot - not just some 300 or so. They powered their whole civilization with them. But we dont find any traces of them because they existed only in a very small timeframe geologically speaking. Like humans now - 200.000 years, that is nothing but a few centimeters in some geological strata. If humanity would disappear, one would have to be very lucky to find any traces of us in 65 million years. Maybe with luck a few skeletons and the layer of radioactive materials that we leave behind in case we do bomb each other in a nuclear war. Maybe also some trace metals. Layers with increased content of Lead and Mercury maybe. With some luck they would find some isotope anomalies in that few centimeters. And of course a mysterious disappeareance of many species...

:xD:

Oops, I guess I forgot to put in a " ;) " in the thread before :rolleyes: :embarrassed: :xD:

Ah come on, this thread turned into a joke within the first 10 posts or so (points to numerous meme-postings).

That aside, what I wrote is not more or less strange and implausible than many of these other "ancient aliens" theories hypothesis ideas out there...

Niri Te 04-20-2012 04:13 PM

I agree with what you are saying Auroraglacialis, I just don't think that I should have been called a "Troll" by HNM. I was just going to make tha comment, and move on, but by calling me a "Troll", he has caused several more posts on it. Let's just DROP it. In the Military, we have this wonderful command, "As you were". It means, "I never said it, it never happened"
so in this instance, "As you were".
Brie

Clarke 04-20-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Human No More (Post 172350)
...she's trolling, people.

Don't feed the troll.

But it's fun. Besides, there's a difference between being facetious and trolling. :P

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 172367)
That aside, what I wrote is not more or less strange and implausible than many of these other "ancient aliens" theories hypothesis ideas out there...

Actually, it is, because the evidence contradicts it. As I said, nuclear reactors are too small to produce the craters. ;)

applejuice 04-20-2012 11:47 PM

You know, Aliens... :)

Human No More 04-21-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Niri Te (Post 172366)
I am NOT trolling HNM, if someone starts talking about "intelligent" dinosaurs, and I mention that believing that takes more faith than believing in the "Garden of Eden, that does NOT make me a troll. In another thread someone mentions "one of the reasons that they hate Christianity" and they are NOT called a troll.
Niri Te

Whatever made you think I was talking about you?

Aurora was blatantly trolling, a post which you took at face value, or else decided to respond to anyway.



This is why we can't have nice things.

auroraglacialis 04-30-2012 11:41 AM

Ah come on, I was not trolling because It hink it was so blatantly obvious that I just wrote nonense. It is humour, irony, exxagarration, parody,... you know? This thread was not serious before my post anyways.

But Clarke:
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Actually, it is, because the evidence contradicts it. As I said, nuclear reactors are too small to produce the craters.
The evidence also contradicts many if not most of the other stuff about the pyramids being great tesla power stations or the mystirousness of the creation of the blocks for the pyramids (when they actually found the tools and marks that carved them and it was not laser cutters from aliens). Besides - the craters are just a coincidence and happened maybe thousands of years after the demise of the great Dino civilization :P - Dating is not precise enough to show it. But maybe the impact actually was what caused the reactors to blow up. (mark the last paragraph as humour btw)

EywaBlessMe 05-01-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Niri Te (Post 172345)
my unflinching belief in the infallibility of the Bible
Niri Te

Wow are you a nut.
Seriously.
FYI, I am currently working on a documentary script that proves that not only is the bible NOT infallible, but it is flat wrong.
The verifiable evidence not only does not support bible stories, but regularly refutes it.
The fact is that the bible is firstly, a collectionhouse of Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, and even Greek mythologies, translated for an israelite audience, and a fabricated history to justify the Judahites taking control of all israelite rites and practices.

Clarke 05-02-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe (Post 172710)
Wow are you a nut.

There are more tactful ways of phrasing that sentiment. Please use them. :P

iron_jones 05-02-2012 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe (Post 172710)
Wow are you a nut.
Seriously.
FYI, I am currently working on a documentary script that proves that not only is the bible NOT infallible, but it is flat wrong.
The verifiable evidence not only does not support bible stories, but regularly refutes it.
The fact is that the bible is firstly, a collectionhouse of Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, and even Greek mythologies, translated for an israelite audience, and a fabricated history to justify the Judahites taking control of all israelite rites and practices.

Oh dear, everyone, we've found the person with all the answers to life's questions.
Thank God you posted.

Clarke 05-02-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 172749)
Thank God you posted.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u32sm6BF03...here_super.jpg

applejuice 05-02-2012 09:58 PM

Interestingly, I also believe the Bible is an Ancient Aliens story, but what one makes of it is a different story. Plus, the Bible is book of miracles and "unexplainable" events. Remember Clarke's Three Laws:
  1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
  2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
  3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Human No More 05-03-2012 12:39 AM

All three of those are rubbish :P

Clarke 05-03-2012 02:25 AM

Really? ;)
Magic Goes to War | Articles | Features | Fortean Times UK

JohnDOE 05-04-2012 12:21 AM

History used to a lott better...
But pawn stars and dirty jobs is funny

iron_jones 05-04-2012 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDOE (Post 172832)
History used to a lott better...
But pawn stars and dirty jobs is funny

Does History air Dirty Jobs and Pawn Stars?? :S

applejuice 05-04-2012 03:55 AM

Oh! The decadence of "pay" TV, where the consumer gets not what he wants, but what advertisers and some "directives" want.
But I consider Clarke's Laws quite logical.

EywaBlessMe 05-05-2012 01:15 AM

I suppose I'm not the most diplomatic, but it sure burns my britches when people demand that you live your life their way, according to rules they can't explain, from a book they could never verify.
We had a guy here named Mike Huckabee who, when running for president, wanted to replace the first 10 amendments with the 10 commandments.
Eeesh.
So much for "freedom".
btw, in case you disbelieve me, look up the Egyptian myth of Geb and Nut, and compare it to adam and eve, and see where I'm coming from.

applejuice 05-05-2012 03:12 AM

And Noah's Ark is the re-telling of the Gilgamesh Epic. Taking the Old Testament in a literal manner is an error. But, undeniably, the moral contents of the Bible are a very strong influence in our society, despite its origins.
Not bad for an Ancient Aliens book , IMHO.

iron_jones 05-05-2012 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe (Post 172895)
it sure burns my britches when people demand that you live your life their way,

How ironic.

Clarke 05-05-2012 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe (Post 172710)
FYI, I am currently working on a documentary script that proves that not only is the bible NOT infallible, but it is flat wrong.

Oh, you don't have to go that far. You start running into issues with physical evidence before you've even got past the creation story.

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 172900)
How ironic.

I don't see EBM demanding anything, tbh.

iron_jones 05-05-2012 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarke (Post 172902)
I don't see EBM demanding anything, tbh.

I didn't see anyone else here demanding anything.

Moco Loco 05-06-2012 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Moco Loco (Post 170135)
I secretly hope this turns into a meme thread and dies.

This turned into a thread of silliness and memes. I am happy.

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Originally Posted by iron_jones (Post 170138)
Or, you know, we could forget about the memes.

You wish, sucker.

auroraglacialis 05-08-2012 09:21 AM

As much as I dislike organized religion, I think to demonize ( ;) ) religions in general is also not apt. I was a religion-basher for a while but I realize that a society needs some base values to hold on to. If those are 10 commandmends or 10 amendments does not really matter by principle, though I guess they should be a bit more sophisticated in our times than they were 2000 years ago and they might be different in Europe than in the near east. But basically those 10 commandments are kin to what we now call our constitutions or human rights. There are ways to make such moral statements without religion, though not without some form of nonscientific and non-economic altruism. If that comes from humanism as the "modern alternative" to religion, from religion or from something people might call spirituality does not matter, but to operate ONLY under scientific or economic rule would be a serious problem because under those systems, all that one can pull off is possible, there are no ethics or moral issues implied if the operating system one works with is neodarwinism or neoliberalism (which basically is related to each other). In both cases, the rule is that everythign is based on competition of individuals that are profoundly self-centered and interested only in personal gain and the "more successful" ones will win. Ethics, Philosophy, Religion, Spirituality, Morale are all constructs that prevent such a "dog eat dog" scenario to unfold with humans and I think Atheism has an obligation to present at least a very solid and emotionally(!) binding alternative if it is crushing Religion.

Clarke 05-08-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis (Post 173078)
As much as I dislike organized religion, I think to demonize ( ;) ) religions in general is also not apt. I was a religion-basher for a while but I realize that a society needs some base values to hold on to. If those are 10 commandmends or 10 amendments does not really matter by principle, though I guess they should be a bit more sophisticated in our times than they were 2000 years ago and they might be different in Europe than in the near east. But basically those 10 commandments are kin to what we now call our constitutions or human rights. There are ways to make such moral statements without religion, though not without some form of nonscientific and non-economic altruism. If that comes from humanism as the "modern alternative" to religion, from religion or from something people might call spirituality does not matter, but to operate ONLY under scientific or economic rule would be a serious problem because under those systems, all that one can pull off is possible, there are no ethics or moral issues implied if the operating system one works with is neodarwinism or neoliberalism (which basically is related to each other). In both cases, the rule is that everythign is based on competition of individuals that are profoundly self-centered and interested only in personal gain and the "more successful" ones will win. Ethics, Philosophy, Religion, Spirituality, Morale are all constructs that prevent such a "dog eat dog" scenario to unfold with humans and I think Atheism has an obligation to present at least a very solid and emotionally(!) binding alternative if it is crushing Religion.

The entire premise of "neodarwinism" conflates what is (evolution in various environments and various scales) with what ought to be, and thus commits an appeal to nature.

Also, attempting to sway you by appealing to your emotions would be illogical, Cap'm. ;)

EywaBlessMe 05-15-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarke (Post 173088)

Also, attempting to sway you by appealing to your emotions would be illogical, Cap'm. ;)

All religions, with one exception, appeal to emotions, usually fear, to convert or force conformity.

Clarke 05-15-2012 08:20 PM

What's the exception? :S


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