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Old 05-30-2010, 11:51 PM
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This is incredibly interesting. Thank you! *continues reading*
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I almost shat myself when I was reading this.
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Thanks for the link.

Yeh, quantum physiscs are very weird and interesting . If you want even more weirdness than look for EPR paradox, I was shocked when I readed about this at first time...
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Old 05-31-2010, 12:04 AM
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Oh, more questions than answers

BTW are you sure about disappearing? Isn't it just change from wave form to matter form and vice versa (I am not skilled in quantum mechanics,maybe I am telling nonsences now )? Energy is what remains constant.
If you're saying that matter forms out of energy (which it rightfully does) then that means that energy must've existed before the Big Bang to create the singularity that caused it. We know from the Principle of Conservation of Energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it is converted from one form to another.

So something must have created energy which contradicts this tried and tested principle.
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Thanks for the link.

Yeh, quantum physiscs are very weird and interesting . If you want even more weirdness than look for EPR paradox, I was shocked when I readed about this at first time...
EPR Paradox? Hmmm *searches google*
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...Not really; no.
So where did your 'god' get the matter from? Oh wait, you believe he created it (and energy)..

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That's assuming too much. Geometric objects don't exist in the physical realm; there's technically no such thing as "2D". Where the space for the universe came from is outside the studyable realm of science.
True enough, but that doesn't change the fact it can be used for a theoretical model.

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And equal occasions where he disapproved of blindly religious people.

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That's subject to the physical realm alone. You cannot ever, through logic, explain what the definition of "life" is, for example.
Of course you can, there are just multiple definitions, it depends on a person's view.
A perfect example, one of my favourite quotes:
"I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image."
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So where did your 'god' get the matter from? Oh wait, you believe he created it (and energy)..
Correct.

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True enough, but that doesn't change the fact it can be used for a theoretical model.
I agree, but it isn't being proposed as such, mainstream-wise. It's just accepted without question; that's what bothers me.

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And equal occasions where he disapproved of blindly religious people.
I loathe blindly religious people. I like to call 'em "ameners".

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Of course you can, there are just multiple definitions, it depends on a person's view.
A perfect example, one of my favourite quotes:
"I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image."
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But he never actually defined it, he just described what can and can't be considered.
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I'm sorry, but anyone who fully accepts any deity based religion is blind.
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I'm sorry, but anyone who fully accepts any deity based religion is blind.
Hm... I wonder what Newton would say.
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Hm... I wonder what Newton would say.
You can still be religious and discover things, doesn't make you any less blind in that aspect of your life.
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You can still be religious and discover things, doesn't make you any less blind in that aspect of your life.
What "aspect" are you referring to?
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We'd have to consider if laws of physics or even logic existed at the first moments of Big Bang or before.

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We'd have to consider if laws of physics or even logic existed at the first moments of Big Bang or before.

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It shouldn't, if there's nothing beyond our universe. No information (Laws and Logic are information) should have existed before the Big Bang which means there wasn't information to create the universe nor was their laws to cause the Big Bang.
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