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Old 06-30-2010, 08:12 PM
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This is an incredible idea, really utterly crazy this theory is.

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Are Massive Arcs of High-Energy Photons That Sweep the Milky Way From Another Universe?

In sync atomic physicist Neils Bohr's famous comment about a colleagues crazy theory that "it's crazy, but maybe not crazy enough to be true," an eminent physicist has developed a theory that gamma ray bursts that occur at the fringes of the known universe and appear to be associated with supernovae, or star explosions, in faraway galaxies, are actually massive beams of high-energy photons from alternate universes that spray the galaxy in arcs, like cosmic death rays as black holes rotate.

The new theory suggests that our universe is located within the interior of a wormhole which itself is part of a black hole that lies within a much larger universe. That sounds crazy enough to us (and equally fascinating).

According to Indiana University physicist Nikodem Poplawski, the matter that black holes absorb don't condense into singularities. Instead, they burst out the other side and become the building blocks for whole other universes in another reality.

In short, our Big Bang popped out of a black hole from another, much larger universe.

Poplawski proposes that the bursts may be discharges of matter from alternate universes. The matter, he says, might be escaping into our universe through supermassive black holes-wormholes-at the hearts of those galaxies, though it's not clear how that would be possible.

Poplawski uses Euclidean-based mathematical modeling to suggest that all black holes may have wormholes inside which exist universes created at the same time as the black holes.

Poplawski takes advantage of the Euclidean-based coordinate system called isotropic coordinates to describe the gravitational field of a black hole and to model the radial geodesic motion of a massive particle into a black hole.

In studying the radial motion through the event horizon (a black hole's boundary) of two different types of black holes -- Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen, both of which are mathematically legitimate solutions of general relativity -- Poplawski admits that only experiment or observation can reveal the motion of a particle falling into an actual black hole. But he also notes that since observers can only see the outside of the black hole, the interior cannot be observed unless an observer enters or resides within.

"This condition would be satisfied if our universe were the interior of a black hole existing in a bigger universe," he said. "Because Einstein's general theory of relativity does not choose a time orientation, if a black hole can form from the gravitational collapse of matter through an event horizon in the future then the reverse process is also possible. Such a process would describe an exploding white hole: matter emerging from an event horizon in the past, like the expanding universe."

A white hole is connected to a black hole by an Einstein-Rosen bridge (wormhole) and is hypothetically the time reversal of a black hole. Poplawski's paper suggests that all astrophysical black holes, not just Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen black holes, may have Einstein-Rosen bridges, each with a new universe inside that formed simultaneously with the black hole.

"From that it follows that our universe could have itself formed from inside a black hole existing inside another universe," he said.

By continuing to study the gravitational collapse of a sphere of dust in isotropic coordinates, and by applying the current research to other types of black holes, views where the universe is born from the interior of an Einstein-Rosen black hole could avoid problems seen by scientists with the Big Bang theory and the black hole information loss problem which claims all information about matter is lost as it goes over the event horizon (in turn defying the laws of quantum physics).

This model in isotropic coordinates of the universe as a black hole could explain the origin of cosmic inflation, Poplawski theorizes.

Poplawski is a research associate in the IU Department of Physics. He holds an M.S. and a Ph.D. in physics from Indiana University and a M.S. in astronomy from the University of Warsaw, Poland.

"It's kind of a crazy idea, but who knows?" he said. We think it just might be crazy enough!

This scenario in which the universe is born from inside a wormhole (also called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge) is suggested in a paper from Indiana University theoretical physicist Nikodem Poplawski in Physics Letters B. The final version of the paper was available online March 29.
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Can the idea of supermassive "distorting an X dimensional space into an X+1 dimensional space" objects be related to this?

(I'm talking in spatial dimensions, not taking in count the time dimension)

Like, a black hole from a two-dimensional space created the three-dimensional in which we live on, and the black holes from our dimension create a four-dimensional space in which there could be a Universe inside?
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:06 AM
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Possibly. If you were to look into the math behind the theory it might be very similar to your idea.

The theory does suggest that our universe was created because of a black hole in another universe, which is in-keeping with your idea but there is a problem. Spacetime in our universe is curved, meaning that if you travelled fast enough and long enough you would end up in the same place you did when you left. Black holes bend spacetime infinitely which is not like our universe.
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But then this opens up a whole other can of worms, because now we need to answer "how did the larger universe come to be?" too.
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But then this opens up a whole other can of worms, because now we need to answer "how did the larger universe come to be?" too.
I think it's appropriate to pull this quote from The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy:

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Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I think that the chances of finding out what's actually going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say: "Hang the sense of it and keep yourself busy"
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Nice find DOP! Who knows? Our universe is so strange that something like this shouldn't be dismissed. Most people think that science has figured everything out and there are not new frontiers. The fact is that the more we find out the stranger it gets!

The theory seems crazy and awsome at the same time. GRBs are one the most powerful things in the universe. No one can be sure if they originated from a hypernova, I think the assumption that the energy comes from a parallel universe fluctuation is a logical idea.

Also, our universe seems to be almost infinite. What else is described as infinite by physics? The singularity of a black hole's mass and size. So why couldn't singularities inside supermassive black holes in the center of galaxies be an entire universe?
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Hmm...

Looks like bulls**t.

Looks like it's only possible in the computer as far as he or anyone knows... Hell, why is this called a theory if theories require evidence... more like a hypothesis. Interesting, but math or no math, it still looks made-up.

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perhaps he's been smoking too much dope but I'd say it doesn't matter, mankind will never find out imho, if they prove this (or other theory) in 500 years, there will still be more questions to ask, so it doesn't really matter to me much anyway lol, but if that's what the guys enjoy doing well more power to them. I'll sit back and watch the "results"
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