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Old 09-23-2011, 09:07 AM
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Col Miles Q posted this on AF so all credit to him

Faster-than-light neutrinos? Astounding! - Technology & science - Science - msnbc.com
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It's faulty physics. They know this, they just don't know what's wrong.
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It's an interesting anomaly (albeit possibly systematic error), but it doesn't mean we will be going in FTL ships by next year
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@^ damn, and i just started packing my things
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It might not mean space ships yet, but give this a couple months and if it turns up true, then it is simply fascinating.
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BBC News - Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result

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Side note: If the idea of FTL neutrinos really pans out, I'm getting a tattoo of this
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Not bad... I was expecting it to be an anomaly, perhaps measurement error

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From here:
OPERA Confirms: Neutrinos Travel Faster Than Light!!
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It is necessary here to note that since distance from source to detector and time offsets necessary to determine the travel time of neutrinos have not been remeasured, the related systematics (estimated as well as -possibly- underestimated ones) are unchanged. The measurement therefore is only a "partial" confirmation of the earlier result: it is consistent with it, but could be just as wrong as the other.
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Pssh, those people will just continue to doubt the results even though the exact same experiment is made 10 more times with the same results. "It can still all be miscalculations so therefor it is not true."
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Pssh, those people will just continue to doubt the results even though the exact same experiment is made 10 more times with the same results. "It can still all be miscalculations so therefor it is not true."
Except there are many legitimate sources of error in this experiment, and we haven't eliminated all of them yet.
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Right, but at least it's looking more likely
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Perhaps... perhaps the equation E = MC^2/(sqrt(1-V^2/C^2)) needs to be changed when light reaches or exceeds the speed of light. Kinda like how the equation for gravity changes, like when you are outside the surface of the earth, it is one thing, and gets weaker as you move further away from the surface of the earth, but then when you are inside the surface of the earth, it is a different equation, that must account for gravity getting weaker as you move towards the center of the earth. Just a thought, but maybe we are missing an equation?
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Perhaps... perhaps the equation E = MC^2/(sqrt(1-V^2/C^2)) needs to be changed when light reaches or exceeds the speed of light. Kinda like how the equation for gravity changes, like when you are outside the surface of the earth, it is one thing, and gets weaker as you move further away from the surface of the earth, but then when you are inside the surface of the earth, it is a different equation,
No, no, no!

It's always, always, always the same equation, no matter where you are in the universe or how the universe is arranged around you. However, what that equation simplifies to can change, depending on circumstances. The force of gravity does not mysteriously disappear just because you are inside the the Earth; all of the Earth is still attractive towards you, as it always is. However, gravity has direction as well as strength, and as you go inside the Earth, the ground above you start cancelling out the attraction of the ground below you, leaving a weaker apparent force.

Incidentally, changing the equation you gave would essentially be like changing the fact that 2+2=4. There's a big proof leading up to it, and nobody can find a flaw in any of the premises that proof starts with.
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haha, I know all that, I'm not too dumb, it's basically all integrals, the way you add up the gravity from the earth, if you treat it like a ring. (I mean it doesn't work perfectly if you treat it like a ring, because the earth isn't perfect like that, but it'd be impossible to calculate the position of every atom, its center of mass, etc etc, so you treat it like a ring)

I'm just saying it's possible that somewhere something needs to be adjusted to so that the equation works.

Or perhaps we don't know enough about imaginary numbers, and FTL speeds work in a way we don't understand yet. Perhaps something is either FTL, or less than the speed of light, just never equal
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