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Old 07-08-2010, 09:20 AM
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I just posted this a few minutes ago on AF, and I didn't even know these ideas were in my head 'till I wrote them...

What are your thoughts on the plotline and storyline of the second and third films? Here was my (short) analysis:




"The next big thing" brings things to my mind... What could possibly be bigger than attempting to kill Eywa?

...Killing the natives off, maybe. RDA realizes the eminent threat they pose, and earth has gotten so desensitized, that killing a bunch of humanoids (with proper propaganda sold to the public) would solve everything. The battle for their lives begins... That's a possible. How would the oceans tie in? Well, maybe as a side-step to the primary plot, the drilling would take place mostly in the oceans (a wink and a nod to off-shore drilling).

This climactic end to the second (as with most trilogies) would most likely be just a prelude to part three. Part three might have the other moons around Polyphemus involved (as Cameron indicated would only be possible in a third film, if at all); Jake gets hold of a ship captured from the battle. Blim blam with an emotional scene between Jake and Neytiri talking about the lives of other peoples on other moons, that are probably being raided as well by the RDA. Jake saves the galaxy? Maybe.

Just thinking out loud, you know. I really don't get how the second movie could possibly be bigger and better without some sort of conflict involved, like another battle... maybe taking place mostly on the ground this time.

Images cloud my head, like Neytiri wearing human-styled clothes (to pass as an avatar), or the Na'vi learning to use guns, giving rise to the question of armed capabilities. The Na'vi are a growing people, technologically. I mean, they learned how to use those spiffy radios to communicate.



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Old 07-08-2010, 10:57 AM
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I don't like the idea of another moon for the last installment, not because nothing can beat Pandora, but because the idea just seems too, y'know, unlikely. The image of two neolithic natives with bows and arrows flying a spaceship to another moon makes me want to laugh. How JC is going to pull it off without it looking completely wacky is beyond me. :L
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:03 AM
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Interesting... I'm not sure about the idea of the other moons... I guess it could work, but I want to see more of the Na'vi too... I don't want Avatar 2 and 3 to be all action and battles, some of the best moments in Avatar were the beauty of Pandora...
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:24 AM
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I assume the sequels would be just as long (if not longer) than the first, so action would probably be a secondary aspect (like in the first).

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I don't like the idea of another moon for the last installment, not because nothing can beat Pandora, but because the idea just seems too, y'know, unlikely. The image of two neolithic natives with bows and arrows flying a spaceship to another moon makes me want to laugh. How JC is going to pull it off without it looking completely wacky is beyond me. :L
I know. Just throwing out ideas, though. He talked about it in interviews... then he said it'd be impossible to include other moons in the second film, and it may be possible in the third film...

But keeping the story on Jake and Neytiri while visiting other moons... I just don't know. Seems like they'd have to be the ones to go. Like I said, the second film would probably be the prelude to most of what will happen in the third. So goes most trilogies ever made.

How it could happen? I have no friggin' clue.

EDIT: *has idea* Maybe there's a rogue RDA guy who takes charge over the Pandoran operation, and takes part in the resistance.

I find it very hard to believe the RDA is just going to give up Pandora so easily. They'll probably cease mercenary work and pull a few strings to actually involve real marines and army men who aren't paid soley for the company's benefit, but rather taught they're doing serious service for their country, without any RDA involvement in the conflict. Perhaps the government would get an actual general in there to secure things according to his own standards, with no corporation to hold him back.

That'd be a force ten times what Quaritch was; far more powerful and more flexible to command anyone under him.

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Old 07-08-2010, 11:28 AM
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I don't like the idea of another moon for the last installment, not because nothing can beat Pandora, but because the idea just seems too, y'know, unlikely. The image of two neolithic natives with bows and arrows flying a spaceship to another moon makes me want to laugh. How JC is going to pull it off without it looking completely wacky is beyond me. :L
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Old 07-08-2010, 01:53 PM
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I assume the sequels would be just as long (if not longer) than the first, so action would probably be a secondary aspect (like in the first).


I know. Just throwing out ideas, though. He talked about it in interviews... then he said it'd be impossible to include other moons in the second film, and it may be possible in the third film...

But keeping the story on Jake and Neytiri while visiting other moons... I just don't know. Seems like they'd have to be the ones to go. Like I said, the second film would probably be the prelude to most of what will happen in the third. So goes most trilogies ever made.

How it could happen? I have no friggin' clue.

EDIT: *has idea* Maybe there's a rogue RDA guy who takes charge over the Pandoran operation, and takes part in the resistance.

I find it very hard to believe the RDA is just going to give up Pandora so easily. They'll probably cease mercenary work and pull a few strings to actually involve real marines and army men who aren't paid soley for the company's benefit, but rather taught they're doing serious service for their country, without any RDA involvement in the conflict. Perhaps the government would get an actual general in there to secure things according to his own standards, with no corporation to hold him back.

That'd be a force ten times what Quaritch was; far more powerful and more flexible to command anyone under him.
Yeah we can almost expect the humans to come back. If JC were to bring them back I guess it might a sort of cliffhanger thing that trilogies do. Like, after the events of the sequel the RDA will burst out of nowhere, guns blazing, and the movie will end like that. But we wouldn't know what happened until the last movie. Most trilogies work like that in some way.

What is certain though, is that there's plenty of ideas and potential for a great sequel.
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If the sequels are much longer (>6min or so) then they'll be too long for IMAX... (unless they make it REALLY long and stop in the middle or something to change films, lol)
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Old 07-09-2010, 03:23 AM
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I'm thinking that the second film will deal more with the relationship between Jake and Neytiri as well as the dynamics of the Omaticaya clan. Perhaps the conflict of the sequel could be what's happening on earth with the news of the RDA being forcefully kicked off Pandora. It would also present a good opportunity to contrast the decayed and overdeveloped state of planet earth to Pandora.

I don't really see any major Na'vi vs. human conflicts in the sequel taking place due to the amount of time it would take the RDA to launch an offensive attack all the way back from earth. But it would be interesting to see how the incoming ISV's and the respective human crews are dealt with.

The third film is a bit more difficult to speculate on but I could see the possibility for another Na'vi vs. human war (although on a much larger scale) as the RDA would likely be back not wanting to just give up on the investment they have on Pandora.

But perhaps I'm focusing to much on a conflict between Pandora and the RDA, I'm sure James Cameron wouldn't let us down with whatever happens

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I don't like the idea of another moon for the last installment, not because nothing can beat Pandora, but because the idea just seems too, y'know, unlikely. The image of two neolithic natives with bows and arrows flying a spaceship to another moon makes me want to laugh. How JC is going to pull it off without it looking completely wacky is beyond me. :L
Agreed %100, the story would be very hard to pull off without looking incredibly stupid. And I just really can't imagine Jake + Neytiri flying around space in a Valkyrie
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Cameron has said he wants to feature the oceans more, so that may be a place we will see. How that will work out is a good question. A temperature shift that causes the currents to do something wacky with the weather? Leaking pollution from the mine? An underwater Na'vi clan?

Dang, more questions than plotlines.
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I wanna learn more about the other characters.

I really thought Tsu'tey was awesome, but he died, and we never really got to see him unless he was pissed off at something or was teasing Jake.

If certain deleted scenes get added to the special edition DVD set, then we'' get so see a little more of him, but I want to know more about the characters as people. Who exactly are Peyral and Ninat? What was it like for Neytiri to grow up on Pandora and how was Jake's earlier life like in comparison?
Things like that. As for actual plot, the humans are definitely coming back, but why?

These are the reasons I can think of

- reopen the old unobtainium mine
- exploit some other resource
- revenge (mecha/robo/cyber/metal/clone Quaritch?!?!?)

If they're really gone for good, then these are the only things I can think of as a soure of conflict:

- Technologically advanced aliens attack and try to take over
a) Using a virus/bioweapons to kill Pandora
b) To mine resources
c) To assimilate the Na'vi (thinking sort of like the Borg, but not so cheesy)

Those are my thoughts. I also want new human characters though. Like how about a cantankerous inventor hired by the RDA who finds out his inventions (like maybe the Samson) are being used for evil purposes and goes renegade? Or what about a robotics expert who is working on a prototype of a robotic AMP suit and falls into the same situation? Both of the characters could wind up being like more dynamic versions of Trudy, and bring their own unique flair to the story.
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Here's an even scarier thought....
Remember Quaritch's quote about a Marine in a Na'vi body? And Lang's comment about 'not as long as i have DNA'?

::shudders::
Quaritch as a Na'vi.

I still don't think that's in the scenario for the sequels. I can see Grace coming back, we never saw them bury her. What if she comes back as some 'Obi Wan Kenobi' type ghost for Jake to learn from?
Offshore drilling for what? You can't easily mine under water so there's got to be some other hook. How about the pollution from the mine has affected the oceans... the Ikran clans report a huge rise in dead animals on the beaches...

So many possibilities out there, we can speculate all we want and maybe even come close to what he has in his head but it will still be a surprise when it is announced.
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What if..?

Humans do not come back at all?

That would be quite unexpectable.
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Here's an even scarier thought....
Remember Quaritch's quote about a Marine in a Na'vi body? And Lang's comment about 'not as long as i have DNA'?

::shudders::
Quaritch as a Na'vi.
Too cheesy and obvious. Anyway, he's dead - where would he come from?

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I still don't think that's in the scenario for the sequels. I can see Grace coming back, we never saw them bury her. What if she comes back as some 'Obi Wan Kenobi' type ghost for Jake to learn from?
Doesn't even need to be like that - I think that as she is with Eywa and her avatar is still there, she could return in that body
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Offshore drilling for what? You can't easily mine under water so there's got to be some other hook. How about the pollution from the mine has affected the oceans... the Ikran clans report a huge rise in dead animals on the beaches...
I think something else would be good... Unless that was the ORIGINAL plan all along, it would look to certain ayskxawng like Avatar 2 was just a reaction to the oil spill...
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Offshore drilling for what? You can't easily mine under water so there's got to be some other hook.

Or can you...

The dawn of deep ocean mining

JC talks a lot about black smokers on the CalTech panel discussion. Maybe on Pandora there are black smokers deep in the ocean which precipitate out unobtainium rather than iron and sulphur.

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