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View Poll Results: How will Grace return in the sequels?
Flashbacks only 11 19.64%
In dreams 5 8.93%
As an apparition (or as Eywa) 20 35.71%
Reborn in her Avatar Body 14 25.00%
Other 3 5.36%
She will not return 3 5.36%
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:40 PM
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...Eywa would have access to all of the neural networks so Grace as she is connected to Eywa would have the same access. She could have access to the information of the whole of Pandora and the wildlife as Eywa has seen all of Pandora.
interesting point!
I also thought about the ancestors that live in Eywa, as Neytiri said. Imagine, Grace would have the chance to talk not only to Omatikaya, but to other clan's ancestors, too? As a scientist, she would be thrilled about their legends, history, world vision, etc. etc. etc. And - imho - they would also be at least curious to meet "the tsahik from a strange & far-away skypeoples' world". Since Grace was on Na'vi's side while alive, they would accept her as one of their own, & their exchange of knowledge could be fascinating.

Altho, who knows for sure? We're just guessing, & we won't have "samples" until Avatar 2 comes out...

Oh! Another possible "return route" for Grace: to be reborn as a Na'vi kid! & she'll be looking for "samples" all day in the forest & will have a special interest in plants she'll bring all sorts of twigs, leaves, seeds, mosses, lickens etc. etc. to her hammock & her mother would be fed up cleaning it

With time & proper training Grace will probably become a specialized plant tsahik. Why no?
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Old 10-16-2011, 05:50 PM
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Of course when I advocate for Grace to come back as a flesh and blood na'vi, that would still include all these eywa experiences since she has been in eywa for some amount of time before this would happen. I think, at least if I were her, I'd rather have both than only eywa. Though it seems more and more unlikely that this will happen, I'll continue to hope
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I'm not so sure..Remember Grace was trying to explain Eywa to Parker and she said that each tree contained a certain amount of neural networks and information and Eywa would have access to all of the neural networks so Grace as she is connected to Eywa would have the same access. She could have access to the information of the whole of Pandora and the wildlife as Eywa has seen all of Pandora.
In other words, less limited by time, but more limited by space. That's what I said.

A Na'vi child will have their own personality and memory. Unless they somehow agreed to have Grace's memories copied into their body, they aren't going to be her.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:34 PM
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...A Na'vi child will have their own personality and memory. Unless they somehow agreed to have Grace's memories copied into their body, they aren't going to be her.
I would leave this one to Eywa
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It doesn't seem fair on the child who would have to give up her own self to have the memory transferred to her, unless they somehow gained Grace's memories while not being her in terms of personality, but that's something different again, and really, what any Na'vi can do by listening.
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What happened to her body?
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why that "Reborn in her Avatar body"?
The Omaticaya tried it, but it didn't work

I think it will be flashbacks, but some times I think she will appear in dreams,
when Jake is sleeping and dreaming, Grace is in the dream

And then he get contact with Grace via Eywa
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What happened to her body?
Nothing. It's still there.

There's no reason that she couldn't return to it later, depending on what they do with it.
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Nothing. It's still there.

There's no reason that she couldn't return to it later, depending on what they do with it.
Indeed, as it was in the original script.
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If Gracie "comes back" than Norm's Avatar is repaired, ANNNNND Trudy Chicon either survives the explosion somehow, or comes back as well. What I want to know, is what is going to happen in twelve years when a Armada of Terran spacecraft show up in Pandoran orbit, with orders to use Vapor bombs to wipe out all life on the surface of the planet, and strip it bare of it's minerals at all costs. Due to the overpopulation of Earth, losing a couple of million soldiers in waves of Suicide attacks during the take over of Pandora will actually be a good thing in the minds of those that pull the strings back on Earth. In their minds, it would mean far less mouths to feed.
Jake and the others are either going to have to transform the Na'vi into a technological Defense Force, from the Stone Age Clans that they are now, or Eywa will have to interviene again, and fry the inbound armada to the last ship, with a high energy plasma wave from a local star that she causes to go supernova as they pass it. Then, as it falls through itself becoming a black hole, the remaining "space junk" is pulled into the black hole forever. How's THAT for an ending with "Hellfire and damnation" spiritual overtones??
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:02 AM
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I'd say Trudy coming back isn't going to happen, there's no real way someone could survive that, and she never even had her memories preserved.

There isn't going to be 'an armada' though, this isn't Star Wars. There are only 12 ISVs, they have no weapons, they carry 200 passengers (with only 2 shuttles) and very limited cargo. There's nowhere to land, and the capacity of an ISV in cargo is perhaps 2-3 (disassembled) Scorpions, while they have ALREADY been launched long before he humans had to leave, carrying normal supplies.
As I said in the other thread, 'a couple of million' would take 10,000 years* to bring there even if humans lives for 10,000 years, which they don't. The entire point of the RDA having what they did on Pandora is it is what they are allowed to by their contract, which sets reasonable limits around the fact that they are NOT there to start a war.

*12 ISVs. 200 people each, ~12 year round trip.

I don't see how life limited to Pandora could affect a star, since there is no technology on Pandora other than what already exists, and a 'plasma wave' is the domain of bad fiction - it would destroy everything in the system even if it did happen. The only 'other star' that is ANYWHERE near is A. Centauri B, which would easily destroy the A. Centauri A system, as well as quite possibly the Sol system too.

...not going to happen.
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