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Old 01-01-2012, 03:39 AM
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Happy new year everyone, and sorry but a few seconds ago I made a realization that I just needed to share somewhere.

The oceans will be explored in Avatar 2 and Avatar 3. For inspiration, James Cameron funded a team of scientists inspect the deepest spot of our oceans. Now, the thing is that this just doesn't make any sense.

Every time James Cameron has explored an idea like that, he has utilized it to its fullest. In The Abyss, he was fascinated by the deep diving suit seen in the film which served as the most major inspiration, and he absolutely needed to use its diving capability to the maximum extent possible. In Aliens, he was fascinated by the AMP-like machine for moving heavy stuff and he couldn't help to get creative with it. He wouldn't be exploring the deepest part of the oceans for no reason, which with almost absolute certainty means that we won't be just see the oceans, we will see the deepest spot of Pandora's oceans.

Here's the thing though: The Na'vi can't go there. They don't have the technology. They haven't been there before. They have no reason for going there either, and I don't think they will find one – they aren't into science and exploration as much as us. If we find a reason to go there, we don't have the technology either, so we will have to make it.

There's only one story that seems to fit these constraints:

We somehow learn that there is something very important lying on the bottom of the ocean. And we (or, less likely -- the Na'vi) want to retrieve it. We don't have the means, so we put together makeshift diving equipment using some old spacesuits and send some human (who?) on a very dangerous mission down there. On the journey down he or she meets a plethora of sea life which gets more interesting, stranger and more dangerous as you go deeper and deeper.

So while the journey is short, quarter of an hour maybe, it will feature the most amazing and changing variety of new creatures, plants, algae and things that we've seen so far, and it will be extremely suspenseful.

Now what is the thing?
1. There's this theory here about ancient Na'vi spaceships, but I honestly don't like it. If it is this though, the Na'vi would forbid us from going, but we would go anyway and our discovery will cause trouble.
2. It could be the most amazing creature on the moon hiding down there. I don't know why it would be so important that someone would have to risk his or her life for it, but I bet it would have been a wish of the Na'vi. And our help will get our species closer, for the first time they would have won something by knowing us.
3. Some other natural phenomena that interests, say, our geologists.
4. The other point of the flux vortex (which is both 2 and 3).

Now, to be honest, only the last option makes sense now. There's no reason to go chasing something so deep if there isn't some evidence that there's something useful. A spaceship won't be emitting a distress call after so long, it will be out of character for Eywa to tell the Na'vi to go there (though resurrected Grace might), and unretrievium isn't detectable through water, so it will have to be something that we already know about.

So, the other point of the flux vortex it is.

Why do we go there? Well, I sincerely hope it's not because someone nuked the tree of souls.

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Old 01-01-2012, 04:55 AM
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I have to say, that's a lot of excellent research. Bravo.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:59 AM
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I doubt it's going to be an underwater film. That just wouldn't work with Pandora, especially since he's said we'll see more of what we have already seen of it as well.
1: WTF?
2: Hmm, not sure about that... doesn't seem very realistic.
3-4: Plausible, I guess.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:59 AM
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and unretrievium isn't detectable through water
Unretrievium? Where's it called that?
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:46 PM
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1: WTF?
It's part of one of the many many many speculations as to where Eywa came from.

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2: Hmm, not sure about that... doesn't seem very realistic.
I don't get the impression Cameron cares about realism.
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:40 AM
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I hope you're joking there. There's a reason everything comes form real or logical future design.
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:51 PM
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I doubt it's going to be an underwater film. That just wouldn't work with Pandora, especially since he's said we'll see more of what we have already seen of it as well.
Just going down and then up, without spending way too much time there. Similar to the sequence where we went into the Hallelujah mountains during Jake's training. But in a longer sequence, so you have enough time to contemplate the underwater wonders for a while.

Think Jake's first journey to the forest in the theatrical cut. He goes through the trees for a while, wonders away, gets chased, runs away, bides his time for a while, and then gets chased again, then he follows Neytiri, and then he finds Hometree.
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There's two huge problems with this.

1) The Na'vi have no way of knowing what is at the bottom of the ocean, since they do not possess the technology to do so.

2) This means that the humans would have to build a submarine. That would take the entire length of the movie to do, and they do not have the proper schematics to give to the fabrication plant to get it to make the parts they would need.
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:45 AM
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Just going down and then up, without spending way too much time there. Similar to the sequence where we went into the Hallelujah mountains during Jake's training. But in a longer sequence, so you have enough time to contemplate the underwater wonders for a while.

Think Jake's first journey to the forest in the theatrical cut. He goes through the trees for a while, wonders away, gets chased, runs away, bides his time for a while, and then gets chased again, then he follows Neytiri, and then he finds Hometree.
Yeah, this seems most likely, I think. Like the nighttime scene, just enough to see the beauty of it, and then the plot-critical part.

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2) This means that the humans would have to build a submarine. That would take the entire length of the movie to do, and they do not have the proper schematics to give to the fabrication plant to get it to make the parts they would need.
Depending on the depth, it could just involve rebreathers etc.
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I think that I read somewhere that this takes place in a time frame that allows a ship to to get to Pandora from Earth, plus a few years AFTER the ship carrying the kicked out RDA shows up on Earth. We ALREADY HAVE the technology to go to the bottom of the Marianas Trench, and have DONE IT, they are 150 years in the future, have cryo, and near light speed technology, so being able to put several deep divers on the far side of Pandora would not be a big deal. Why? perhaps because they want to build an under water base there, though they would not need to go very deep at all to not be bothered by the Na'vi.
Wouldn't it be interseting if a parallel developing species of sentient life were on the moon that had been warned by Eywa about the humans, or BETTER YET the beings in "The Abyss" WERE "Eywa"???
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Wow, connecting Abyss and Avatar - would be interesting. But unlikely. I guess that JC is looking for more inspiration for weird life forms and they are abundant in the deep sea. He used shallow surface marine life to create the land plants and animals on Pandora and make them as fantastic and strange as they are. I guess the underwater world might be inspired by Earths deep sea creatures mixed with many other elements of course. I dont think there will be a deep sea exploration on AV2. If there should be, then I think the only option would be that the skypeople return and for some reason go down there. Underwater mining? Maybe. But that would be sort of a repeat of AV1 wit humans making a base and then having to deal with the sea life that attacks them.
My guess is that not more than a few percent of the movie will take place underwater, because that woul dbe too one sided.
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I seriously doubt The Abyss' aliens have any connection to Pandora, or we'd have seen them in Avatar, especially since they were heavily implied to have technology/abilities to wipe out humanity if needed. If they were in the same universe, the marines wouldn't have lasted two seconds (I would say that even if The Abyss' aliens existed but weren't on Pandora, they'd have stopped humans, since after all, they had enough surveillance capability to pick up on all human activity, and presumably FTL space travel, or very high relativistic sublight at the VERY least).

Plus, crossovers suck
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That's a decent guess.
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