Epic Battle?

[josie20]

Would the Na'vi fighting the Uruk-Hai(From Lord of the Rings) be the most epic battle ever?

[madman]

wow, I'd hope that the Na'vi could bring some heavier weapons. The uruks are down right brutal!

[josie20]

^^ Yes, they are brutal. But the Na'vi are pretty tough.

[Devourment]

It would be epic, but I'm sure there are far more epic battles that could take place.

[josie20]

Originally Posted by Devourment

It would be epic, but I'm sure there are far more epic battles that could take place.

I can't think of anything as epic. But then again, this is a topic I almost never think about. Also, my idea of epic is most likely different than yours. When I think of epic, I think of the battle at Helm's Deep, not Neo vs. Agent Smith(for example).

I guess epic, for me, means something that's realistic(unlike Neo vs. Agent Smith for example again).

[Devourment]

Originally Posted by josie20

I can't think of anything as epic. But then again, this is a topic I almost never think about. Also, my idea of epic is most likely different than yours. When I think of epic, I think of the battle at Helm's Deep, not Neo vs. Agent Smith(for example).

I guess epic, for me, means something that's realistic(unlike Neo vs. Agent Smith for example again).

Robot Ninja Jet Lee Megazorg VS Zombie Darth Chuck Norris (yes this is realistic, as both Chuck Norris and Jet Lee exist).

But on a more serious note, epicness is perceived, so it's more opinion than anything else.

[Woodsprite]

I thought long about this: no. It wouldn't be that epic.

The uruks are incredibly powerful, but they're also a little over half the size of the Na'vi. The Na'vi have giant arrows, they have stronger bones, they're faster, and most importantly: they're more agile. Since archery aren't the strong point of the uruk-hai, the Na'vi would nail 'em in seconds with their spear-sized arrows. It's no contest: the Na'vi win.

Although, you did get me to think about it (I was going to say 'yes' at first ).

[josie20]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

I thought long about this: no. It wouldn't be that epic.

The uruks are incredibly powerful, but they're also a little over half the size of the Na'vi. The Na'vi have giant arrows, they have stronger bones, they're faster, and most importantly: they're more agile. Since archery aren't the strong point of the uruk-hai, the Na'vi would nail 'em in seconds with their spear-sized arrows. It's no contest: the Na'vi win.

Although, you did get me to think about it (I was going to say 'yes' at first ).

Hmm...you make some good points. However, let's not forget that the Uruk-Hai armor is very strong. Also, they do have some skill with a bow(remember the Uruk-Hai that killed Boramir). Also, remember how difficult it was for Aragorn to kill the Uruk-Hai that killed Boramir. The Uruk-Hai also have a massive number of soldiers. The Na'vi arrows could only kill so many of them before the Uruk-hai get within sword's reach. The Uruk-Hai have the advantage of sheer numbers. This, off course, is assuming the Na'vi didn't have time to unite all of the clans on Pandora(which would have required Toruk makto and would take weeks if not months).

The Uruk-Hai are very strong, fast(maybe not as fast as the Na'vi), brutal, they never give up and they "do not know pain...do not know fear."

I think the Na'vi would win the battle...but just barely...and only if they had a good fortress(like Helm's Deep, which couldn't even stop the Uruk-Hai, after all).

EDIT: Also, the Na'vi(judging by Tsu'tey getting beat up by Jake) kind of suck at close combat. So, as soon as the Uruk-Hai get within sword's reach, it's pretty much game over. As far as I know, the Na'vi don't have swords. So now that I think about it, I think the Na'vi might lose. Again, this is assuming the Uruk-Hai have the same number of soldiers that attacked Helm's Deep.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by josie20

Hmm...you make some good points. However, let's not forget that the Uruk-Hai armor is very strong.

Against a 7 foot arrow fired from a bow with a draw weight of over a ton? I think not.

The Uruk-Hai also have a massive number of soldiers. The Na'vi arrows could only kill so many of them before the Uruk-hai get within sword's reach. The Uruk-Hai have the advantage of sheer numbers. This, off course, is assuming the Na'vi didn't have time to unite all of the clans on Pandora(which would have required Toruk makto and would take weeks if not months).

This is more of an issue, but since an individual Na'vi is far superior to many uruk hai, I don't see it as a huge problem.

EDIT: Also, the Na'vi(judging by Tsu'tey getting beat up by Jake) kind of suck at close combat. So, as soon as the Uruk-Hai get within sword's reach, it's pretty much game over. As far as I know, the Na'vi don't have swords.

For Tsu'tey, Jake was (rightfully) pissed off.
Depending on how canon you want to go, the Na'vi have some excellent close combat weapons.

[xcrunner08]

Originally Posted by josie20

Hmm...you make some good points. However, let's not forget that the Uruk-Hai armor is very strong. Also, they do have some skill with a bow(remember the Uruk-Hai that killed Boramir). Also, remember how difficult it was for Aragorn to kill the Uruk-Hai that killed Boramir. The Uruk-Hai also have a massive number of soldiers. The Na'vi arrows could only kill so many of them before the Uruk-hai get within sword's reach. The Uruk-Hai have the advantage of sheer numbers. This, off course, is assuming the Na'vi didn't have time to unite all of the clans on Pandora(which would have required Toruk makto and would take weeks if not months).

The Uruk-Hai are very strong, fast(maybe not as fast as the Na'vi), brutal, they never give up and they "do not know pain...do not know fear."

I think the Na'vi would win the battle...but just barely...and only if they had a good fortress(like Helm's Deep, which couldn't even stop the Uruk-Hai, after all).

EDIT: Also, the Na'vi(judging by Tsu'tey getting beat up by Jake) kind of suck at close combat. So, as soon as the Uruk-Hai get within sword's reach, it's pretty much game over. As far as I know, the Na'vi don't have swords. So now that I think about it, I think the Na'vi might lose. Again, this is assuming the Uruk-Hai have the same number of soldiers that attacked Helm's Deep.

Sorry I got to this thread so late but I wanted to comment because I LOVE LotR too, as much as Avatar even. Anyways, the Uruk you are talking about is Lurtz, a character created solely for the movies, not in the book. He was the first one made and I THINK was a little stronger and intelligent then the rest, which is why he led them. But I may be wrong.

Also, you must remember Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli, as well as Boromir, killed MANY Uruk's themselves. They may be brutal and strong but good fighters can handle them farily easily.It is possible for them to be defeated despite their great numbers, i.e. Helm's Deep.

While I don't think this would be epic necessarily, t would be a good battle. I do think, though, the Uruk's would win, despite the things mentioned above. Let's face it, if not for the Pandoran creatures coming to the rescue the Na'vi would have lost the battle to the humans. It's not like they fought GREAT in that battle.

The Uruks were literally bred to kill. They are fast, strong, and brutal. While skilled fighters can defeat them, I personally don't think any of the Na'vi fight as well as Legolas, Boromir, Gimli, and Aragorn. The Na;vi are solid guerilla units, but in hand-to-hand combat the sheer brute force the Uruk's possess would overcome them IMO.

[josie20]

1. I probably should have posted this is the debate thread...oh well.

2. over 1 Ton? Where did you get that number? The wiki? If so, I wouldn't rely heavily on a wiki. You do realize that a primitive bow usually won't have a draw weight of more than 100lbs, right? Yeah, yeah, the Na'vi bows are blah blah blah...If their bows had so much draw weight the arrows would have easily gone completely through the viperwolves, hexapede and humans. Since they did not, I am highly skeptical of this number. Also, no matter what kind of wood the Na'vi use, in order to achieve 1 ton of draw weight, their bows would have to be much, MUCH, thicker than they are.

3. I agree

4. I didn't see too many close combat weapons other than their knives, not really a match for a metal sword.

5. I really wasn't expecting this to turn into any kind of debate. There are too many factors that need to be considered before making any kind of decision of who would win the battle. So until those factors are agreed upon, there really isn't any use in debating the issue.

6. The original question was would the battle be epic, not who would win. Sorry or letting it get so off track.


Listen, I really didn't join this forum to get into arguments. You can post a rebuttal if you want, but I won't answer it, not because I'm trying to disrespect you, but because this is the reason I came here from AF, too many people arguing all the time.

[Human No More]

Understandable. I'm not sure exactly where I read the details either, and it was an estimate, but it was based on the size of the bow as well.

As for Na'vi close combat weapons, I meant from the Avatar game (which isn't really canon, but maybe not justified in being completely ignored).

[josie20]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Understandable. I'm not sure exactly where I read the details either, and it was an estimate, but it was based on the size of the bow as well.

As for Na'vi close combat weapons, I meant from the Avatar game (which isn't really canon, but maybe not justified in being completely ignored).

Oh yeah, I forgot about the game. I've never played it so I have no idea what weapons are in it.

[Pa'li Makto]

The battle would be an interesting idea..

[josie20]

^^ I seem to be one of the only people who thinks it would be epic.

You have some good arguments there. I, personally, can't decide who would win until every factor is decided upon. However, I'm not in the mood right now to think this through completely lol