Could Tsu'tey Have Been Saved? - Tree of Souls

**Woodsprite** · #1 01-23-2011, 05:15 AM

A topic I don't think has been gone over (to my knowledge). Tsu'tey, in his final minutes, seemed like a fighter. I mean in vitality. He didn't seem like he was dying. I mean, obviously he'd eventually die from the wounds he suffered from, but from the strength shown in his movements, and even the way he talked, it seemed like he might've lasted for a few more hours.

...If Jake had refused Tsu'tey's wish, transported him to Hell's Gate for medical attention (as much as we all know Tsu'tey would've been heartily against this idea), could he have been saved from his injuries? He suffered multiple bullet wounds on the right side of his chest, not the left, and maybe a couple to his sternum and lower diaphragm. That's the extent of his wounds. He couldn't have suffered any fractures, due to the nature of the carbon bones, and the fact that his fall was broken from the leaves above.

Anyone think he might've been able to make it if Jake thought critically at the moment?

**misstammie** · #2 01-23-2011, 05:26 AM

HMMMMM that is a good topic. I had heard though that his queue was cut when he fell to the forest floor by Lyle or one of the soldiers. If that was the case, I would think without the queue their life to them would be completely meaningless to them and they wouldn't want to continue on. Perhaps to them, they didn't want to burden anyone within the clan? Just taking a guess and assuming here.

If that not the case, I think there might have been a possibility he could have been saved but with strong traditions within the culture I might understand why he wanted Jake to kill him.

**Fosus** · #3 01-23-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by misstammie

I had heard though that his queue was cut when he fell to the forest floor by Lyle or one of the soldiers. If that was the case, I would think without the queue their life to them would be completely meaningless to them and they wouldn't want to continue on.

This was in the script but I don't know if it was in the movie (I still haven't seen any extended cut)

**misstammie** · #4 01-23-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fosus

This was in the script but I don't know if it was in the movie (I still haven't seen any extended cut)

Yes, that was in script but no that was not in the CE.

Ashen Key · #5 01-23-2011, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

A topic I don't think has been gone over (to my knowledge). Tsu'tey, in his final minutes, seemed like a fighter. I mean in vitality. He didn't seem like he was dying. I mean, obviously he'd eventually die from the wounds he suffered from, but from the strength shown in his movements, and even the way he talked, it seemed like he might've lasted for a few more hours.

...If Jake had refused Tsu'tey's wish, transported him to Hell's Gate for medical attention (as much as we all know Tsu'tey would've been heartily against this idea), could he have been saved from his injuries? He suffered multiple bullet wounds on the right side of his chest, not the left, and maybe a couple to his sternum and lower diaphragm. That's the extent of his wounds. He couldn't have suffered any fractures, due to the nature of the carbon bones, and the fact that his fall was broken from the leaves above.

Anyone think he might've been able to make it if Jake thought critically at the moment?

I think internally, his organs were pretty much ruined. To me, he seemed like he was dying - yes, there were leaves to break his fall, but from the height he fell, things would splinter and rupture and his brain has been thrown around his skull a fair bit. Also, I think the carbon bones splinter like tree branches rather than BREAK - but nothing to say that hasn't happened with him, with his ribs and spine. He seemed like he was fighting to hold on until he could pass the chiefdom over to Jake, but given the tech available to the Na'vi, I'd have a really hard time believing him being able to get up and walk around without SERIOUS medical assistance, and even then I'd eye it. I think he was bleeding from the mouth? That's not good. That means the stomach or lungs are bleeding. Also, to me, he looked like he was going into shock (nothing against his bravery, that's just what bodies do when they are badly injured). Shock alone would kill him.

Not to mention the issues of getting him to Hell's Gate (the only chopper on their side has been blown up at this point) and if they've kicked all the surgeons off the planet, there is no one to try and put Tsu'Tey back together.

So, sadly, I think he was utterly f*cked.

Banefull · #6 01-23-2011, 05:27 AM

I highly doubt it.

If he was able to recieve immediate medical attention he might have been able to live; however, transporting him to Hell's Gate isn't exactly immediate as it would take quite some time and would be a rough ride. Not to mention that he was not in a state where he could have been transported.

Human No More · #7 01-23-2011, 04:25 PM

It really depends on whether the part from the script happened or not... if not, he could possibly have been saved, but he was still very badly injured and might have still died. If it did happen, then there would be no point to saving him and he wouldn't wait to.

**Woodsprite** · #8 01-23-2011, 08:37 PM

Seems like he would've died anyway; I didn't think the whole thing through, especially about the bleeding from the mouth (you're right Ashen, that isn't good at all).

But then... I don't know. It is the year 2054, and medical technology (had Tsu'tey survived all the way to Hell's Gate by ikran or toruk) might have reconstructed anything inside that might've gone wrong. The only reason Grace wasn't saved from a simple bullet wound was because she never received any real doctor's attention, and the resources Jake had to stabilize her were limited.

Ashen Key · #9 01-24-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

Seems like he would've died anyway; I didn't think the whole thing through, especially about the bleeding from the mouth (you're right Ashen, that isn't good at all).

But then... I don't know. It is the year 2054, and medical technology (had Tsu'tey survived all the way to Hell's Gate by ikran or toruk) might have reconstructed anything inside that might've gone wrong. The only reason Grace wasn't saved from a simple bullet wound was because she never received any real doctor's attention, and the resources Jake had to stabilize her were limited.

Grace could have died anyway - she's not very young, and stomach wounds? They are REALLY not good. It's not that there is only one, it's where it is - Hollywood doesn't show this very well at all. Which is also why Tsu'Tey, with so many bullet wounds in his chest and his abdomen (where his intestines would be), combined with how far he fell...he's dead, pretty much.

And med-tech hasn't advanced THAT much - otherwise Jake wouldn't be in a wheelchair. If they can't fix nerves cheap enough that a special forces Marine like Jake can get back on his feet, I'm inclined to think that they can't work miracles in fixing people up.

Human No More · #10 01-25-2011, 09:33 PM

They CAN fix them (obviously), but it's just too expensive for most people - a lot like many lifesaving treatments for many people in the world today in some countries. Either way, that is less difficult (being nerve reconnection in a controlled environment - this can be done today with some areas, although not on the spine yet) than saving someone who is extremely badly injured, especially with no nearby hospital. Of course, it all depends on what actually happened off screen - if we follow the script then there would have been no point to saving him and Tsu'tey would have wanted to die.

iron_jones · #11 01-26-2011, 05:13 PM

He didn't have no queue brah. He hadda die.

ahoragi · #12 01-26-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iron_jones

He didn't have no queue brah. He hadda die.

This.

That is why I think he said "I cannot lead the people". Without a queue, life is worthless. They didn't show it in the movie but if you look closely in the scenes, you'll notice it's missing. It's not OBVIOUS but it's clearly not there anymore.

EywaBlessMe · #13 01-29-2011, 01:13 AM

As I said on another page regarding the same subject, I hated the death scene when I first saw it, because it was without context, which would allow me to understand and appreciate, if still not like, it more.

**James of terra** · #14 01-29-2011, 03:35 AM

Wow ,I did not notice the missing queue. Ya without that ya I see why he want to die, but other than that he could have been saved.

**Woodsprite** · #15 01-29-2011, 04:36 AM

I really don't know if the queue was missing. You could assume so, I suppose. But you can't really prove that it happened since the view of the back of his head is blocked by a log. I've looked through many screencaps and never saw a severed queue.

Can't say it didn't happen. It might have, but we'll really never know unless we get further information from Cameron.