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04-11-2011, 08:39 AM
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The War You Don't See.
I watched this last night and I was thinking about it all night. For anyone who hasn't seen this it is concerned with the manipulation of the masses by media in collusion with governments and their effects on the population in relation to distorted information given about wars and events overseas. I highly recommend that you see it. Our eyes need to be opened to see the horrible effects of the current wars and what our media tells us and more importantly, what they don't tell us.
Any thoughts?
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04-12-2011, 04:31 AM
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Why not to believe everything in the news, or at the very least always consider their bias...
Also why Wikileaks is so important 
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04-12-2011, 05:39 AM
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Exactly Tsmukan.
 I hope Assange walks free of all charges..Not sure what has been happening in the last few months though. Anyway, I think it is really important that most people, especially the American public see this documentary. Their media is a lot more censored and flavoured then the media in other countries. Overall though, we need to all do our own research so we can have a good idea of what goes on around us. 
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04-12-2011, 08:19 PM
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the military in the first video, was like '' this families are not a humans! ''
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04-13-2011, 06:27 AM
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I know. >.< It's really sad that innocent people get caught up in a military invasion. In the documentary an American soldier said that in the incident with the Apache helicopter, a girl and her brother were critically injured in a car with their father who died hunched over them protectively. He tried to rescue the kids and send a transport to get the kids to the hospital but the troops and commander wouldn't have it.
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04-14-2011, 12:41 AM
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Interesting. Luckilly someone always seems to find out.
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04-14-2011, 01:00 AM
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IMO Julian Assange and Bradley Manning are both heroes, and both deserve Nobel Peace Prizes. If only the global military-industrial-media-corporate-complex didn't exist...
Welcome to Aldous Huxley's world, everyone.
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04-14-2011, 05:39 AM
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Very true.
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Always listening to The Orb: O.O.B.E... My fanfic "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded most harshly." -Chronicle of the First Age "Try to see the forest through her eyes." Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.)
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05-04-2011, 04:21 AM
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I did not find any of this really to be new or shocking. Censorship has been prevalent for hundreds of years in the media, and the government are the ones who pressure them to say certain things. I agree, Wikileaks is the most significant thing to happen so far this century.
The most saddening thing to me is how much we invest in finding ways to kill each other. Imagine if these resources were applied elsewhere. Even so, there is no way to avoid war, and world peace is a neat idea but can never happen (my original reason for getting PAD, actually. The timing was just too good with seeing a near perfect world in comparison to our own).
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05-04-2011, 06:55 AM
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As much as I can understand your point of view, I can't help but feel strong vibes of negative confirmation bias here. Anyone can go and nitpick sources claiming a single viewpoint. That said be suspicious of my viewpoint too. I live next to an air force base, my family is employed there, and as a result I probably have much different outlook on the war.
**** happens in war, mistakes happen, but to paint the entire thing as being some conspiracy goes a bit too far. Weapons of mass destruction or not, Saddam should have been toppled anyways in my opinion. Now don't get me wrong, I think that George Bush handled the war and international foreign policy badly (especially his unilateral policies) but the degree to which the war is painted as being black is ridiculous. If a war is started we have to go through with it and finish it. To pull out in the middle would only make the situation worse. I find it hard to believe that we are the cause of all this sectarian violence. Toppling Saddam was the catalyst for it but in power vacuum like that, many were trying to grab the reigns of power. To just leave right after Saddam was toppled would still have resulted in massive waves of violence among different ethnicities and factions with the eventual establishment of another dictatorship to take its place especially if you use history as a guide. If everyone thinks we're going to pull out, it only encourages those who are interested in grabbing power for themselves because they know that they will get a chance soon. If we pulled out right after Saddam was stoppled, there would probably be a post here somewhere of a similar nature blaming us of how we abandoned Iraq and let it rot. Its not an situation with an easy solution. Last edited by Banefull; 05-04-2011 at 07:05 AM.
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05-04-2011, 09:54 PM
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When the 2008 elections came around and Obama was labeled as the candidate who would pull out of the war, the only thing that I could think and say was that it would never happen. If there was anything that we should have learned from Vietnam it was that pulling out early never yields good results. I don't believe that anyone cares that we attempted to force Iraq into a democracy (at least in the US anyways). The US stands up for its interests or else we can't operate at the level that we do. Sorry if my post sounded a little anti-military. I have nothing against the military or military families. It just makes me sad to think about how human can't cooperate and that such drastic action is necessary.
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05-04-2011, 07:05 AM
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Not sure how to respond to this, I'm sure you're replying to Maelstrom.
One thing though: What do you mean by the the war as being painted as being black?
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05-04-2011, 07:06 AM
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That is to say being totally negative. It is quite a grey area in many regards.
Maybe thats not what everyone is claiming but I can't help but get that feeling from what I read sometimes. Last edited by Banefull; 05-04-2011 at 07:14 AM.
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