The activists on earth. Qs that I need answered plz.

[Rainbowhawk1993]

In my new fan-fic: A Better Tomarrow I plan to have a refrence to the "Ristance" movement on earth. I do have a problem though. I don't quiet have an Idea of what the scale of it is if they are doing it under the RDA's nose. If you can give me some ideas, it would be great. THank you. oh, and it would be great to discuss how the ristance would go down in the Avatar Universe.

[Clarke]

(Spelled "tommorow." Sorry for being pedantic.)

[Moco Loco]

What's the Ristance Movement?

[iron_jones]

Resistance??

[Pa'li Makto]

I would say that for an underground movement you'd need about 30/50 people, then hopefully a joining of those 50 people with other small groups of like minded people through communication links like internet/messages or phone. Of course it depends on how severely the RDA would be censoring the communication networks.

I really like your idea for this fanfic, let us know when you've done some tsmukan.

[Cyvaris]

You also have to remember that depending on where in the timeline you place this what the public opinion of the Na'vi/Avatar program/Pandora is. In the movie Selfridge talks about how bombing the Na'vi would lead to bad PR. Now picture that same situation but only after the RDA has had its ass handed to it. I would put pretty good money on the RDA spinning the story in such a way that public opinion would turn from "Poor Na'vi" to "They attacked us....kill em!"

Even if Jake and CO are able to release "footage" of Quaritch's attack on hometree I doubt they would be trusted. So basically your resistance group would not only be fighting the RDA but a good chunk of the population as well.

[Rainbowhawk1993]

Originally Posted by Cyvaris

You also have to remember that depending on where in the timeline you place this what the public opinion of the Na'vi/Avatar program/Pandora is. In the movie Selfridge talks about how bombing the Na'vi would lead to bad PR. Now picture that same situation but only after the RDA has had its ass handed to it. I would put pretty good money on the RDA spinning the story in such a way that public opinion would turn from "Poor Na'vi" to "They attacked us....kill em!"

Even if Jake and CO are able to release "footage" of Quaritch's attack on hometree I doubt they would be trusted. So basically your resistance group would not only be fighting the RDA but a good chunk of the population as well.

My idea was that the inside man on pandora would download the attack footage, Jake's video logs and the facts about the plants that can restore earth and smuggle it to the other activists to place it on the internet and the "Cause" organizations (pg. 128).

I don't think the public opinon of the na'vi being savages might stay if they upload the data. Take the movie Blood Diamond, once they got the diamond, they got to london and Solomon denied the offer by the company and Maddy got the pictures for Time Magazine. What happened afterwards? The company got protests for their little skeem with the dirty diamonds.

I think thats what people might think when they learn that unobtainum is dirty and that the plants can help restore earth.

[Ashen Key]

Originally Posted by Rainbowhawk1993

I don't think the public opinon of the na'vi being savages might stay if they upload the data.

Why do you assume this? And besides, we have no idea what public opinion of the Na'vi IS - I actually suspect that it'd be like Avatar's fandom's reaction, only much stronger/worse, due to Pandora actually being real. Grace has been writing about the plants for YEARS, and published back on Earth. The public would be lapping it all up, and the RDA would be putting as good a spin on Pandora and the Na'vi as they could, I imagine. With the amount of linking via internet, even the bio-connection would just be seen as a bio-internet.

And I really doubt that the footage of the Hometree attack would change ANYTHING. If seeing destruction and people screaming actually did anything, we wouldn't still be having the amount of war that we do. By 2154, viewers would be even more desensitized than we already are.

Don't get me wrong, the footage would certainly HURT the RDA a lot - but I don't think it'd change people's perception on the Na'vi in themselves.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Ashen Key

Why do you assume this? And besides, we have no idea what public opinion of the Na'vi IS - I actually suspect that it'd be like Avatar's fandom's reaction, only much stronger/worse, due to Pandora actually being real. Grace has been writing about the plants for YEARS, and published back on Earth. The public would be lapping it all up, and the RDA would be putting as good a spin on Pandora and the Na'vi as they could, I imagine. With the amount of linking via internet, even the bio-connection would just be seen as a bio-internet.

And I really doubt that the footage of the Hometree attack would change ANYTHING. If seeing destruction and people screaming actually did anything, we wouldn't still be having the amount of war that we do. By 2154, viewers would be even more desensitized than we already are.

Don't get me wrong, the footage would certainly HURT the RDA a lot - but I don't think it'd change people's perception on the Na'vi in themselves.

Until Earth's economy pretty much collapses because there is no more unobtanium.
Qouteing the wiki here
"Without unobtanium, interstellar commerce on this scale would not be possible. Unobtanium is not only the key to Earth’s energy needs in the 22nd century, but it is the enabler of interstellar travel and the establishment of a truly spacefaring civilization"

Imagine if all the world's oil(save for a small reserve) suddenly vanished. The economic panic would be sudden and devastating. The RDA may or may not recover from that. They and other Mega-Corporations would be in a pretty tight spot. Sure someone may have a synthetic form of unobtanium ready to go, but odds are slim. The RDA and other Mega-Corpratioins would either have to lay off millions of workers or figure out some way to get the unobtanium back.

Walking on eggshells here, but....picture 9/11 but over oil. You have more then just an "attack" you have economic destruction. Sure some people may like the Na'vi but when the spin story comes out that they are responsible for a severe economic down their opinion will change.

[Ashen Key]

Originally Posted by Cyvaris

Until Earth's economy pretty much collapses because there is no more unobtanium.
Qouteing the wiki here
"Without unobtanium, interstellar commerce on this scale would not be possible. Unobtanium is not only the key to Earth’s energy needs in the 22nd century, but it is the enabler of interstellar travel and the establishment of a truly spacefaring civilization"

Imagine if all the world's oil(save for a small reserve) suddenly vanished. The economic panic would be sudden and devastating. The RDA may or may not recover from that. They and other Mega-Corporations would be in a pretty tight spot. Sure someone may have a synthetic form of unobtanium ready to go, but odds are slim. The RDA and other Mega-Corpratioins would either have to lay off millions of workers or figure out some way to get the unobtanium back.

Walking on eggshells here, but....picture 9/11 but over oil. You have more then just an "attack" you have economic destruction. Sure some people may like the Na'vi but when the spin story comes out that they are responsible for a severe economic down their opinion will change.

Excellent point, I didn't think to mention that (despite a WiP fic of mine having one of the plots centered around trying not to doom Earth, oops.) Yeah, public opinion might just be ugly over that. Forget interstellar travel - if the trains and power grid shut down, you've got utter collapse on your hands.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Cyvaris

Until Earth's economy pretty much collapses because there is no more unobtanium.
Qouteing the wiki here
"Without unobtanium, interstellar commerce on this scale would not be possible. Unobtanium is not only the key to Earth’s energy needs in the 22nd century, but it is the enabler of interstellar travel and the establishment of a truly spacefaring civilization"

Interstellar commerce, yes. that has nothing to do wth an economy. Stop going Earth needs unobtainium!!1!, it is patently false.

Imagine if all the world's oil(save for a small reserve) suddenly vanished. The economic panic would be sudden and devastating. The RDA may or may not recover from that. They and other Mega-Corporations would be in a pretty tight spot. Sure someone may have a synthetic form of unobtanium ready to go, but odds are slim. The RDA and other Mega-Corpratioins would either have to lay off millions of workers or figure out some way to get the unobtanium back.

The RDA are in everything. It's a setback, certainly, but you act as if it's the world's fuel source or something, and indeed, as if the RDA are devoid of other profit sources.

Walking on eggshells here, but....picture 9/11 but over oil. You have more then just an "attack" you have economic destruction. Sure some people may like the Na'vi but when the spin story comes out that they are responsible for a severe economic down their opinion will change.

You mean the economic depression that ALREADY exists?
Normal people don't profit form unobtainium. The RDA execs do

[Human No More]

It's not going to happen - that video will arrive in 4.4 years at lightspeed, well before Selfridge arrives back. The group who the survival guide originated with seem to have a lot of insider information - I would say at least one spy at a high level in the RDA, in addition to contacts on Pandora itself. Now all the marines and Selfridge are gone, all those logs of what happened are here just waiting to be transmitted.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Human No More

It's not going to happen - that video will arrive in 4.4 years at lightspeed, well before Selfridge arrives back. The group who the survival guide originated with seem to have a lot of insider information - I would say at least one spy at a high level in the RDA, in addition to contacts on Pandora itself. Now all the marines and Selfridge are gone, all those logs of what happened are here just waiting to be transmitted.

They have ansibles on the ISS Venture Star so Selfridge and the remaining military would be able to transmit their own spin on things pretty quickly. It would basically end up as a "he said she said" situation. It would really come down to how the public feels. There would definitely be a "revolution" going on the question would just be how large.

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Cyvaris

They have ansibles on the ISS Venture Star so Selfridge and the remaining military would be able to transmit their own spin on things pretty quickly.

HNM insists the canonical figure for that is 3 bits an hour. You can't get a very long message inside ~11.4kb.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Clarke

HNM insists the canonical figure for that is 3 bits an hour. You can't get a very long message inside ~11.4kb.

True, true. But then again Jake and Co would be limited by the same bandwidth issues as well(unless Pandora has a really strong ansible). Either way it degenerates into a shouting match between the to.

Also downloading footage of the attack over that type of link....would take a very, very long time. Trust me. On GOOD days I get maybe 80kb download rate. I am STILL trying to download a HD version on Game of Thrones...its 20gbs and has been going for about three days now.