Obama Has Permanently Shut The U.S. Manned Space Program.

[PunkMaister]

Believe it or not is what he intends to do and before the congressional elections given the commie congress that is allied to the hip with him it is most likely that it will become a horrifying reality all too soon.

Unless all of us act all will be lost so join the Save the Human Space Exploration program now!

[ZenitYerkes]

Don't want to sound ignorant, but I just don't see the point to space or cloning programs. Really.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

Don't want to sound ignorant, but I just don't see the point to space or clonation programs. Really.

What does Cloning (clonation doesn't exist) has to even do with these? Seriously GET LOST!

[Iluvrien]

Permanently? I think not.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Iluvrien

Permanently? I think not.

OK for as long as he and his Commie congress are in power then, the point is it will be even more expensive to start over than anything else and that's exactly what will probably happen if NASA is not defunct by then which means a whole new new program, agency the works...

[Iluvrien]

Um. The US manned exploration programme was already going to have to start over. GWB set out the plan for this in 2004. In return for setting aside the shuttles (which are aging and overpriced for their capabilities) he decided to concentrate the money that would have been spent on propping them up on developing a new manned system focussed on returning men to the moon. The loss of the space shuttles predates Obama.

What Obama has done is put the development of the new delivery system on hold while the US economy settles down a bit before working on a launch system that will take men to Mars.

Half of the News articles listed in the last few days on the site that you posted a link to here give this information.

[PunkMaister]

With the space program shut down the future is sealed we are doomed the end...

[Spock]

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

With the space program shut down the future is sealed we are doomed the end...

That is what Capitalism has done to the space programme. Oh well, I thought you would be happy.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Spock

That is what Capitalism has done to the space programme. Oh well, I thought you would be happy.

As human no more very correctly pointed out, it was a Socialist one of your own that shut it down so suck on that lollipop, besides what do you care? According to you Earth is already dead and so are we. You said that is all irreversible so there you go, I guess that's why you want to invest in mining projects instead of going into space, so Earth and Humanity dies that much faster.

Originally Posted by Spock

Obama isn't a socialist. Were you at the boston tea-party by any chance? Both philosophies are flawed, but capitalism has many, many workable flaws where-as socialism has only a small number of unworkable flaws, I plan to mould both ideals one day and eliminate the problems associated with each..

How? When as you yourself point out that Capitalism has flaws that are workable meaning they can be dealt with where as Socialism has unworkable flaws meaning they cannot be fixed. Now that just defies logic...

[Spock]

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

As human no more very correctly pointed out, it was a Socialist one of your own that shut it down so suck on that lollipop, besides what do you care? According to you Earth is already dead and so are we. You said that is all irreversible so there you go, I guess that's why you want to invest in mining projects instead of going into space, so Earth and Humanity dies that much faster.

I would like to see you fundamentaly prove that Obama is a socialist. Never the less, I am pleased that it has been shut down, he is increasing the budget, and allocating resources in a more pragmatic approach, to space exploration.

I'll have you know that I was refering to space mining projects, if we can get good extra-planetary commodities coming back to earth, the economy boost might give us what we need to fight our own impending doom.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

How? When as you yourself point out that Capitalism has flaws that are workable meaning they can be dealt with where as Socialism has unworkable flaws meaning they cannot be fixed. Now that just defies logic...

I believe the second part of my paragraph had answered that.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Spock

I would like to see you fundamentaly prove that Obama is a socialist. Never the less, I am pleased that it has been shut down, he is increasing the budget, and allocating resources in a more pragmatic approach, to space exploration.

Which is why Neil Armstrong and most Astronomers in the US staunchly disagree. And he is not allocating crap, he is shutting it down period. The money is being diverted toward the so called universal health-care instead.

Originally Posted by Spock

I'll have you know that I was refering to space mining projects, if we can get good extra-planetary commodities coming back to earth, the economy boost might give us what we need to fight our own impending doom.

Except that without a Space program that just not going to happen period. Oh let me guess you expect the Chinese to do it right?

[Eltu]

I'm with ZenitJerkes here, actually. I see only bad things coming from space exploration. We have a wonderful planet, we can save our planet. Exploring other planets and destroying them as well is just... wrong.

I think going out in the universe is the wrong way to go. Human is greedy in nature. If we DO find other habitable worlds, we WOULD industrialize and destroy them.

There is incredibly much beauty on Earth, so much to explore, to see. We can save this.

[Iluvrien]

I don't see space exploration as an "go to other worlds because we have messed ours up". I see it as a "go to other worlds having already helped to fix the things we did wrong on our own first".

It is my belief that in order to find habitable worlds and get ships there we will have to have grown up as a species. No more world destruction, pure exploration and learning. It might be a bit Star Trek but it is better than the alternative.

This planet will die one day, unless we can move it out of its orbit and park it around another star as our own gets older. That is the future that I am working towards.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Eltu

I'm with ZenitJerkes here, actually. I see only bad things coming from space exploration. We have a wonderful planet, we can save our planet. Exploring other planets and destroying them as well is just... wrong.

I think going out in the universe is the wrong way to go. Human is greedy in nature. If we DO find other habitable worlds, we WOULD industrialize and destroy them.

There is incredibly much beauty on Earth, so much to explore, to see. We can save this.

WTF? And if there is an Asteroid coming our way how do we save it then, oh let me guess then because it's nature plan we let it happen right? F*ck off really!

And actually no many of the developments thanks to the space program have been beneficial and not the other way around. And is thanks to Space exploration that we understand our own world better and how to save it!

[ZenitYerkes]

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

WTF? And if there is an Asteroid coming our way how do we save it then, oh let me guess then because it's nature plan we let it happen right? F*ck off really!

And actually no many of the developments thanks to the space program have been beneficial and not the other way around. And is thanks to Space exploration that we understand our own world better and how to save it!

First of all, I'm still learning English and it's hard enough to write in a language I don't even speak everyday, so don't blame me for that.

And justifying spacial development because of an asteroid is like justifying nuclear weaponry saying that if we had an alien invasion we would need it to protect Earth (just like in many Sci-Fi movies).

Astronomy is just useful to know about space, but won't stop any menace from it. We haven't got that power.