Your Opinion on the Sea Shepherds

[Isard]

Utilizing methods that other illegal organizations employ. Terrorism is terrorism, and should not be tolerated in today's society. Saying "But they did it first!" (please add a whiny inflection to that statement) Is a piss poor excuse. We have rules, if you don't follow them, the privileges of society such as freedom will be restricted as well.

They're breaking the rules, they should forfeit the privileges.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Utilizing methods that other illegal organizations employ. Terrorism is terrorism, and should not be tolerated in today's society. Saying "But they did it first!" (please add a whiny inflection to that statement) Is a piss poor excuse. We have rules, if you don't follow them, the privileges of society such as freedom will be restricted as well. .

Well, sometimes we have to take action, because otherwise it can be to late before more or less corrupt politicians have reacted and dared to cross the will of capitalist enterprises or lobby groups that hold back all sort of progressive development. Extra parliamentary action is not terrorsm, instead it can be a way to protect life.

And by the way, who sets the rules? Often it is corporations, lobbyists and similar with the consent of weak politicians. One can just see how matters of marine fishing have been handled lately. No politician dare to cross the fishing industry, eventhough researchers have sound the alarm for years now. Still not much happens, instead marine resources are being depleted and the only ones to try to do anything about it is environmentalists like Sea Shephard, Greenpeace and some others.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by redpaintednavi

Well, sometimes we have to take action, because otherwise it can be to late before more or less corrupt politicians have reacted and dared to cross the will of capitalist enterprises or lobby groups that hold back all sort of progressive development. Extra parliamentary action is not terrorsm, instead it can be a way to protect life.

Yes... I've campaigned against things I oppose. I have not gone harming random people to gain publicity. That's the difference between 'extra-parliamentary action' and terrorism.

And by the way, who sets the rules? Often it is corporations, lobbyists and similar with the consent of weak politicians. One can just see how matters of marine fishing have been handled lately. No politician dare to cross the fishing industry, eventhough researchers have sound the alarm for years now. Still not much happens, instead marine resources are being depleted and the only ones to try to do anything about it is environmentalists like Sea Shephard, Greenpeace and some others.

If you ask many people, they will have a negative opinion of these groups for their ACTIONS... they are right in terms of idea, but they are doing it completely wrongly, they will never change anything.

Really, both sides are wrong. I oppose the overhunting just as I oppose other abuses, but I also think that the people who are concerned about it have much more of an impact (and be better respected) if they worked for legitimate change.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Yes... I've campaigned against things I oppose. I have not gone harming random people to gain publicity. That's the difference between 'extra-parliamentary action' and terrorism.


If you ask many people, they will have a negative opinion of these groups for their ACTIONS... they are right in terms of idea, but they are doing it completely wrongly, they will never change anything.

Unfortunately sometimes certain kinds of extra parliamentary methods are the only things that works if one want to see some change, before it is to late and we live in a world without wales, Tunas, Sharks and others. And mostly it is actually the fishermen that attacks Sea Shephards or Greenpeaces boats when they try to block the paths of these fishing vessels. And we shall not even mention how the french blew up a Greanpeace ship in a harbour in New Zealand.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by redpaintednavi

Well, sometimes we have to take action, because otherwise it can be to late before more or less corrupt politicians have reacted and dared to cross the will of capitalist enterprises or lobby groups that hold back all sort of progressive development. Extra parliamentary action is not terrorsm, instead it can be a way to protect life.

And by the way, who sets the rules? Often it is corporations, lobbyists and similar with the consent of weak politicians. One can just see how matters of marine fishing have been handled lately. No politician dare to cross the fishing industry, eventhough researchers have sound the alarm for years now. Still not much happens, instead marine resources are being depleted and the only ones to try to do anything about it is environmentalists like Sea Shephard, Greenpeace and some others.

TEH CORPORATIONS! TEH CORPORATIONS!

And we come to the heart of the matter. You don't like those in power. Let me tell you something friend, I work for one of "teh corporations" and they have shown the most care and concern for me as an individual, than any other person outside my family. Tangent rant, over.

Fun fact, do you know Greenpeace threw the Sea Shepards out of their organization for committing acts of terrorism? In the words of Stephan Colbert, Tip of my hat to Greenpeace for refusing to harbor terrorists.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

TEH CORPORATIONS! TEH CORPORATIONS!

And we come to the heart of the matter. You don't like those in power. Let me tell you something friend, I work for one of "teh corporations" and they have shown the most care and concern for me as an individual, than any other person outside my family. Tangent rant, over.

Fun fact, do you know Greenpeace threw the Sea Shepards out of their organization for committing acts of terrorism? In the words of Stephan Colbert, Tip of my hat to Greenpeace for refusing to harbor terrorists.

Noone said that all environmental groups agree of the same methods. Some like Sea Shephard are perhaps less patient. This is not to unusual in different struggles when there are those who want a to go forward fast and hard, and those who want to go forward in a slower, more moderate way. One can always discuss who have the right approach.
But we must not forget that more than often it is the ones in power, auhorities, corporations and similar that use force, and often do it first. Corporations and capitalist enterprises have a long history of using force when they feel their economic interests threatened in some way.