Posted this in the PAD thread, and figured it would apply here as well. Just more thoughts about the world.
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Originally Posted by Fkeu'itan
Yes, I think that's a good way of putting it, caveman.
I think that maybe people are still depressed, but the reason for it has changed. Whilst some people still suffer with PAD (I do in part), I think that a lot of it also has to do with wanting to now bring that world to ours, to live the way that they did and to find the truth in life, but there is a general feeling of hopelessness when it comes to such thoughts. Feelings that you'll be destined for lonliness, that the world we have is no longer salvagable, or even worth attempting to save, that we're just one person up against almost 7 billion others that there's insurmountable odds, and so on...
Even perhaps, fear. Not of the world itself, but of what actually living your life on it will mean.
I still long for Pandora... but slowly, i'm finding the love for her sister planet too. It just hurts that I can't spend time - maybe even the rest of my life - in that love.
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Well put ma tsmukan. I'll always consider Pandora my true home, where I was truly meant to be, and maybe someday, somehow... Anyway, though I'm learning to love my foster home of Earth, too.
It's tough for a free spirit that values the freedom of the wild and the freedom to live by one's own right, to live in a world that values conformity, materialism, and one's economic productivity and viability over all else. The problem is that the world today attempts to take 7 billion various shaped pegs, and fit them all into the same hole, have the same role in the world. To go to school, get a job, consume, and die quickly before they become too much of an economic burden. From a purely economic standpoint this system works, because everyone has the same potential for doing work if pushed hard enough by the system. Though, from an existential and spiritual standpoint, this is a horrible system. Why? Because everyone has different expectations from life, different dreams, different capabilities, and they all want to live in a way that maximizes their own personal potential to fulfill their dreams. However, the problem that the world has with this is that in some cases, those lifestyles would counter the economic bottom line of society (like people who want to live in the wild or go off the grid). Which is why modern society is often refered to as the only "real word," and we are taught to believe that life outside of it is a brutish hell (think "Lord of the Flies"). It's that societal push to conform, to instill the belief that as long as we sit down, shut up, and do as we're told, we can find freedom, fulfillment, and love. Though people like you, me, and many others here see this is a load of crap for people who think like we do.
If this is the case, you've got two options.
- Pop the blue pill, give in, and be a good little modern wage slave and consumer, not challenging the system to change, or trying to escape it.
or
- Fight like hell for whatever you feel is worth fighting for, in whatever way you feel like fighting for it. Whether it be within the modern world or without.
US-centric, but can apply to what the rest of the world is facing, too. I posted it once before in another thread months ago, but it seems like a good time to post it again.
We Will Have To Fight
I think the Fight Club quote in my sig describes it pretty well, too.
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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis
@Tsyal: Well - while with that flying tube this can happen: YouTube - Kite-Tubing NOSE DIVE!!! - I still think it should be a choice made by each individually to take risks or not. Of course what comes into play then in any society large or small is the interdependance again. If a member of a society behaves in risky ways and may loose the ability to contribute to the society (by dying, becoming disabled or injured) - that society is not accepting of this behaviour easily. In the modern society it may be that kite flying has a risk of people becoming injured heavily, public helath care has to pay for hospital and all of society pays for that risk that one person takes and people start to get angry at that person. In a small tribe, a person who would regularly go kayaking down a dangerous river just for fun would probably cause similar worries because if he breaks bones, people will have to feed him and care for him on their own time. So it is not that easy to combine social interdependence and community with absolute freedom of actions. In modern society this is reflected by rules and banning some things, I dont know reall yhow tribal people would deal with this really - or how to create a good combination. That is what I think is what we need to find as a vision. |
Well, primitive people/the Na'vi did lead pretty risky lives. Climbing trees, running, chasing, being chased, riding horses, cliff diving, etc. Indeed sometimes for sport, as well. I'm sure some people ended up getting bumped and bruised along the way, indeed it would be interesting to see how they would deal with it. I'm sure that they were probably more liberal in terms of living dangerously than modern people are, because there was less at risk. If someone did something back then they didn't have the ability to destroy thousands of dollars of public infrastructure or private property in the process. Usually one would either hurt themselves, or if they did damage anything, it could easily be dealt with. With that said I still think that the modern world underestimates people's common sense, and ability to minimize risk to others/property with their actions. Used properly something like the Manta Ray would be perfectly safe. To ban it outright is overkill. All tht is doing is letting sue-happy lawyers push society further into nanny-stateism.
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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis
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Interesting, and IMO one of the reasons why people need to fight like hell for net neutrality. If something as powerful as the internet allows everyday people to spy on each other this way, I shudder to think about what would happen if a few mega-corporations or the government ended up taking control if it. The internet is basically the last weapon common people have against the ruling class. Much of everything else is controlled by only a few hands (in the US, there are only 6 major news networks left in the mainstream, sounds trustworthy to me
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YouTube - The Henry Rollins Show - America Is Under Attack
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Originally Posted by auroraglacialis
And Tsyal, you mentioned Techno-Tribes. That is a concept I had in my head also for a while, but I did not reach a conclusion if it is possible. Maybe it is somehow - I kept insisting that it is, but also that many technologies would be hard or impossible to achieve then. Actually it is part of my criticism against regular Anarchism, that their idea to shed any large institutions would almost require the formationof small self-organized communities which in turn would lead to massive complications to achieve large scale projects like genetic engineering, computer technology, space travel etc. (essentially making any plans to realize shedding large insititutions and governments essentially a "primitivist" vision). It is not impossible, but improbable due to several reasons, I will not go into that now though. Maybe if there is a new thread on that?
Overall - my vision is one of a tribal future - whatever shape this may take. But agin, I will post on that in the new thread  |
Yeah, it's a pretty complex issue fit for a new thread. Too much to discuss here.
As for what Avatar has given me, "Dreamer's Manifesto" is my best attempt at describing a gift that truly is beyond words. Check the sig.
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