Two Billion?

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Like china, which has gone the furthest towards taking measures to prevent it? Or India, which is stretched to the point of causing tension with neighbours?

China never needed to take those measures. China acted the way they did due to misinformation given to them decades ago about a supposed overpopulation crisis, and now they are facing a demographic catastrophy, which a RAPIDLY ageing population which has been depleted of females due to parents aborting/killing daughters. The chinese are now realising that perhaps this one child policy was a very bad idea.

Any evidence to support that claim?

...I didn't think so.

Anyone who reads widely like I do, knows that there is a sinister group of individuals who operate on a global level, manipulating politics, finance, global culture for their own ends.
These people want to control the world, however they feel that the population of the world is too large for them to be able to manage effectively the way it is now, so they spread rumours about overpopulation as a pretext to bring in measures to deplete the world's population.

They start wars, they create and spread new disease epidemics/pandemics, they engineer political and financial crises and use the ensuing chaos to gain greater control by bringing in controvercial laws which will give them the control they want. These people see themselves as the Lords and Masters of the Earth and they see the rest of us as sheep to be lead to the slaughter. The existence of these people has been known for a while.

Get real, it's still far better than undeveloped nations, the main reason for failure is lack of education, and in America, restriction by certain political interests (which ties into lack of education)

Lack of education? oh really? then why is it that the more "sex education" they inroduce, the more sexually transmitted diseases continue to increase. Even the Dreaded Syphilis is making a comeback in Europe and America, thanks to all this "education" you are talking about.

So where is all that rainforest going? Why are there wars over oil? Why do countries focus on exporting food for money when they could instead focus on becoming self-sufficient when just about everyone can? - if not on the country scale then on the continent scale, with the exception of Antarctica (which has no or nearly no permanent residents anyway)

Oh Please, these problems you are listing have nothing to do with overpopulation.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Anyone who reads widely like I do, knows that there is a sinister group of individuals who operate on a global level, manipulating politics, finance, global culture for their own ends.
These people want to control the world, however they feel that the population of the world is too large for them to be able to manage effectively the way it is now, so they spread rumours about overpopulation as a pretext to bring in measures to deplete the world's population.

They start wars, they create and spread new disease epidemics/pandemics, they engineer political and financial crises and use the ensuing chaos to gain greater control by bringing in controvercial laws which will give them the control they want. These people see themselves as the Lords and Masters of the Earth and they see the rest of us as sheep to be lead to the slaughter. The existence of these people has been known for a while.

Do you even know how difficult that would be?
Surprisingly, not everything, every problem is 'them' out to get you.

Lack of education? oh really? then why is it that the more "sex education" they inroduce, the more sexually transmitted diseases continue to increase. Even the Dreaded Syphilis is making a comeback in Europe and America, thanks to all this "education" you are talking about.

Only due to lack of availability. People are biologically programmed to reproduce and you can't deny people that. People are less repressed now, but look at how the rate has been dropping over the last few years.

Oh Please, these problems you are listing have nothing to do with overpopulation.

Oh really?
Let's see..
Rainforest destruction: For wood and food, leaving expanses of desert after 2- 3 years of farming, when a new area has to be destroyed.
Oil addiction: Linked, because with a lower population, demand both directly and for related products (energy, plastics, fertiliser) would be much lower.
Exporting food: Required due to more developed countries shifting away from production. With a smaller population, even if some countries were dedicated to food and some weren't, there would be enough for everyone. As it is, there isn't.

I didn't say a reduced population would be THE solution, but it's certainly an improvement.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Do you even know how difficult that would be?
Surprisingly, not everything, every problem is 'them' out to get you.

It would not be as difficult as you think to engineer catastrophies. There are mysterious forces out there at work in ways which you do not understand.

Only due to lack of availability. People are biologically programmed to reproduce and you can't deny people that. People are less repressed now, but look at how the rate has been dropping over the last few years.

Yeah right. Its nothing to do with availability. STDs are spreading rapidly DESPITE availability. The simple fact is that people have lost all self control.

Oh really?
Let's see..
Rainforest destruction: For wood and food, leaving expanses of desert after 2- 3 years of farming, when a new area has to be destroyed.
Oil addiction: Linked, because with a lower population, demand both directly and for related products (energy, plastics, fertiliser) would be much lower.
Exporting food: Required due to more developed countries shifting away from production. With a smaller population, even if some countries were dedicated to food and some weren't, there would be enough for everyone. As it is, there isn't.

I didn't say a reduced population would be THE solution, but it's certainly an improvement.

And who says a reduced population would be an improvement? Im not buying that. You have just been brainwashed by the Powers that be. Can you not think for yoursel? or do you have to believe everything they tell you to believe. You are just the kind of sheep that plays into the hands of these deceivers and liars.
And by the way, oil addiction is due to the fact that those sinister people I mentioned earlier have suppressed other viable technologies which would take us away from our dependence on oil. Read about the work of Nikola Tesla, and also read about the technology the Americans and the Russians stole from the Ruins of Germany after World War 2.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

It would not be as difficult as you think to engineer catastrophies. There are mysterious forces out there at work in ways which you do not understand.

Please spare me the tinfoil hat New World Order/Masons/Illuminati/whatever it is this week stuff.

Yeah right. Its nothing to do with availability. STDs are spreading rapidly DESPITE availability. The simple fact is that people have lost all self control.

I'm not sure about the US (where the lack of availability is probably the worst outside undeveloped countries), but here, I can tell you that the problem is lack of education, simply because many people are ignorant to the point that they disregard advice. Historically, humans have followed their instincts without problems, the prevalence of disease only even becomes apparent due to overpopulation - disease is one of man factors that BALANCE a population so that the stronger individuals survive, eliminating or controlling the disease at a sustainable level, but humans counteract that by treating them.

And who says a reduced population would be an improvement? Im not buying that. You have just been brainwashed by the Powers that be. Can you not think for yoursel? or do you have to believe everything they tell you to believe. You are just the kind of sheep that plays into the hands of these deceivers and liars.

Simple maths. Average the demand by each individual to get the average demand. A lower population therefore means a lower demand.

And by the way, oil addiction is due to the fact that those sinister people I mentioned earlier have suppressed other viable technologies which would take us away from our dependence on oil. Read about the work of Nikola Tesla, and also read about the technology the Americans and the Russians stole from the Ruins of Germany after World War 2.

As for WW2 tech - yes, that technology is the basis of space exploration even today (based on the engines of the V2 rocket). Other than that though, their technology was nothing special. There is no 'free energy' tech, even nuclear still relies on the stored energy in nuclei. Tesla did some extremely interesting work but none of it was in any way remotely related to 'free energy'.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Human No More

As for WW2 tech - yes, that technology is the basis of space exploration even today (based on the engines of the V2 rocket). Other than that though, their technology was nothing special. There is no 'free energy' tech, even nuclear still relies on the stored energy in nuclei. Tesla did some extremely interesting work but none of it was in any way remotely related to 'free energy'.

Much of what was found in Germany remains classified to this very day. The Nazis were experimenting with anti-gravity, particle beams, and zero-point energy.
The First modern UFO sightings began in Germany towards the end of the 2nd World War. Allied pilots on bombing raids over Germany would report seeing all kinds of weird and wonderful aircraft in the skies over Germany. these sightings terrified them.
Coupled with these sightings were the reports that the Germans were on the verge of some technological breakthroughs which could turn the war in their favour. Once Germany was overran at the end of the war. The first thing the US army did was head to German military installations to get a hold of this esoteric technology.
Shortly afterwards, the same strange aircraft that had been seen over Germany were now being seen in the skies over the United States, and these UFO sightings have not stopped since. The US government still will not tell the world what they found in the ruins of Germany after the war. It is still being suppressed.

[Advent]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Its da joos! O____o

da joos i tell u!

Tsk tsk.

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Much of what was found in Germany remains classified to this very day. The Nazis were experimenting with anti-gravity, particle beams, and zero-point energy.
The First modern UFO sightings began in Germany towards the end of the 2nd World War. Allied pilots on bombing raids over Germany would report seeing all kinds of weird and wonderful aircraft in the skies over Germany. these sightings terrified them.
Coupled with these sightings were the reports that the Germans were on the verge of some technological breakthroughs which could turn the war in their favour. Once Germany was overran at the end of the war. The first thing the US army did was head to German military installations to get a hold of this esoteric technology.
Shortly afterwards, the same strange aircraft that had been seen over Germany were now being seen in the skies over the United States, and these UFO sightings have not stopped since. The US government still will not tell the world what they found in the ruins of Germany after the war. It is still being suppressed.

Ah, the Area 51 theory!

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Much of what was found in Germany remains classified to this very day. The Nazis were experimenting with anti-gravity, particle beams, and zero-point energy.
The First modern UFO sightings began in Germany towards the end of the 2nd World War. Allied pilots on bombing raids over Germany would report seeing all kinds of weird and wonderful aircraft in the skies over Germany. these sightings terrified them.

Yes, Germany certainly had all sorts of at the time interesting aircraft designs (first fighter with jet engines, for example), but they were obsolete decades ago. UFO sightings have been known for all of recorded history.

Coupled with these sightings were the reports that the Germans were on the verge of some technological breakthroughs which could turn the war in their favour. Once Germany was overran at the end of the war. The first thing the US army did was head to German military installations to get a hold of this esoteric technology.

Again, yes, they had some interesting development programmes, but no actual results. The one that's most commonly repeated is their nuclear program, which could have succeeded, except their only source of heavy water was sabotaged by the British and Norwegians, but opinions vary as to how far they had actually come even before then.
If the US can't make energy weapons reliable and economical TODAY, Germany did not 65 years ago. This was not helped by the fact that the Nazi party's campaign against intellectuals and Jews caused a huge brain drain as many educated people escaped to the UK and US. By the middle stages of the war, the technological advantage had been all but lost to the UK and even Russia, the only marginally successful technology that was not successfully reproduced was the V2 rocket.

Shortly afterwards, the same strange aircraft that had been seen over Germany were now being seen in the skies over the United States, and these UFO sightings have not stopped since. The US government still will not tell the world what they found in the ruins of Germany after the war. It is still being suppressed.

People see what they want to. An interesting correlation is how the 'UFOs' of the 50s and 60s were the 'flying saucer'-type, as was most commonly shown in scifi of the time. In the 70s, this moved towards the type that is still predominant today, the 'black triangle', as fictional portrayals also changed.