Will the Humans Return?

[Isard]

Originally Posted by ISV Venture Star

It would fulfill the Cameron sequel rule about bad/good things reversing.

Alien: android bad
Aliens: android good

Terminator: T800 bad
T2: T800 good

Avatar: All avatar drivers (and the rest of the science team) good.
Avatar sequel: One avatar driver bad... ?

Its either that or Quarich is back and good... O__O

[Human No More]

How about a few humans good, then all humans bad, if you REALLY think he follows the same idea for his films ( )

[jujubees]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Not to mention, I think the overall arc of the films will involve the Na'vi actually saving the humans and showing them how to restore Earth in Avatar 3.

I had this same thought, and I love the idea. They certainly would have a lot to teach us about living within nature without disrupting it, but I think the human race has gone to far for that to work.
On the other hand, we know that Pandora has an atmosphere with a lot more CO2 than Earth...so it stands to reason that Pandoran trees are exceptionally good at absorbing carbon. If the DNA from Pandoran trees can be spliced into Terrestrial trees, it could go a long way towards cleaning up the Earth's atmosphere.
Or, perhaps the only way to do it would be to import "seeds of the sacred tree" to Earth and plant them. Millions of hometree-sized Pandoran trees on Earth!
I have a feeling that there will be 2 groups of humans returning to Pandora...one group is the RDA (or a successor) who is only interested in restoring the unobtainium flow. The other, made up of scientists, universities, environmental groups, etc., knows that Pandora can save Earth and wants to "start again" with the Na'vi. You can imagine what would happen on Earth when video of the attack on Hometree got out and showed up on the intertubes...certainly, a very large portion of the Earth population would be disgusted and ashamed at what we've done, and will want to make ammends.
Perhaps we will have to ask the Na'vi, hat in hand, to please let us take some sacred seeds back with us.

[Moco Loco]

I doubt these scientists, universities, whatever would have enough money to reach Pandora, especially on a mission with no guarantee for success and no profit otherwise. Also, "seeds of the sacred tree" make ToV ToS type trees, not hometrees.

[Niri Te]

If you want to see an interesting fan fiction that follows some but not all of your thinking, go check out the story titled "Ateyo Te Syaksyuk:tsulfatu" that my yawnete is adding a chapter or two on every day. It is in Learn Navi, in the Fan Fiction section.
I help her write it by giving her all the military and aviation dialogue that she uses in the story, that way it is realistic to military pilots.

A shortcut to find it is

ATEYO TeSYAKSYUK: TSULFATU

This in not Ateyo's shameless plug of her story, it is MY shameless plug of my yawnete's story.
Niri Te

[Niri Te]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

I doubt these scientists, universities, whatever would have enough money to reach Pandora, especially on a mission with no guarantee for success and no profit otherwise. Also, "seeds of the sacred tree" make ToV ToS type trees, not hometrees.

Irayo, ma oeya tsmuk. It would be a HORRIBLE thing to KIDNAP a pure spirit from it's kindred, and take it to Earth, but something that I would totally expect the VRRTEP sawtute to attempt. THIS is why they were run off, and why they would get an even more hostile reception should the attempt to return to continue their RAPE of Eywa 'Eveng.
Niri Te

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Yes, they will... There are still people who didn't get what they deserved (Selfridge and the miners), and there wouldn't be that much point to a movie without an antagonist. Not to mention, I think the overall arc of the films will involve the Na'vi actually saving the humans and showing them how to restore Earth in Avatar 3.

It's entirely believable that Cameron wants to do that, but that actually doing so would smash believability completely. The first one was already criticized for being too obvious in its message.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by jujubees

On the other hand, we know that Pandora has an atmosphere with a lot more CO2 than Earth...so it stands to reason that Pandoran trees are exceptionally good at absorbing carbon. If the DNA from Pandoran trees can be spliced into Terrestrial trees, it could go a long way towards cleaning up the Earth's atmosphere.

Not really - there's still a limit to how much can be utilised. A car won't go twice as fast if you have twice the fuel flow.

Or, perhaps the only way to do it would be to import "seeds of the sacred
tree" to Earth and plant them. Millions of hometree-sized Pandoran trees on Earth!
I have a feeling that there will be 2 groups of humans returning to Pandora...one group is the RDA (or a successor) who is only interested in restoring the unobtainium flow. The other, made up of scientists, universities, environmental groups, etc., knows that Pandora can save Earth and wants to "start again" with the Na'vi. You can imagine what would happen on Earth when video of the attack on Hometree got out and showed up on the intertubes...certainly, a very large portion of the Earth population would be disgusted and ashamed at what we've done, and will want to make ammends.
Perhaps we will have to ask the Na'vi, hat in hand, to please let us take some sacred seeds back with us.

That's possible... the ending is very much more of a 'final' part though, where humans would learn to find a balance and reduce their population, so would likely be around the ending of 3.

[Moco Loco]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

Irayo, ma oeya tsmuk. It would be a HORRIBLE thing to KIDNAP a pure spirit from it's kindred, and take it to Earth, but something that I would totally expect the VRRTEP sawtute to attempt. THIS is why they were run off, and why they would get an even more hostile reception should the attempt to return to continue their RAPE of Eywa 'Eveng.
Niri Te

I don't think it would be "horrible", just entirely impractical, and nobody would fund such a silly expedition.

[Ateyo leSyaksyuk]

SAVE THE HUMANS! I like the concept of Na'vi as teachers for humans. (I mean it is SO TRUE on the fan base level! Aren't we each a little more sensitive to Mother Earth after seeing Avatar. Excuse my ignorance, but where does one read a "back-story"? It would answer many questions. How many sci-fi stories have we read where the space explorers are now on their own because "civilization" as we know it has collapsed? That is the premise of my storyline. The last two starships contain avatars and links, the RDA labs have been salvaged and are running. The remaining RDA Techs have been reunited with the Omatikaya and are acting as ambassadors to the newcomers. The humans on Pandora, maybe a hundred. Are coming to realize that the last tranmission heard from Earth may have possibly been the last transmission heard from Earth. My version of "reality" is probably much different than Cameron's, but I sure am having fun!

http://forum.learnnavi.org/fanfictio...syuk-tsulfatu/

[Niri Te]

I like YOUR storyline MUCH better oeya lora yawnete!! the hundred yumons that will be on Pandora with the arrival of the last ever ISV to arrive from Earth with 40 "Eco Warriors" aboard after the world wide riots that were spawned when the techs at "Blue Heart Gate" back when it was called hells gate, sent videos of the gun camera films of the attack on Home tree to Earth that were picked upon the broadcast channels several months before the murderers on the ship arrived to be thrown into hard labor.
Your story is COOL, the planetary rapists got what they DESERVED!!
Niri Te

[jujubees]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Not really - there's still a limit to how much can be utilised. A car won't go twice as fast if you have twice the fuel flow.

Car engines burn air, the fuel is only to make the air more volitile. If you install a supercharger or a turbocharger, which will pump more air into the engine, it can go twice as fast- maybe three times as fast.
I get that there may be some work to do to make this happen...but given that human science has a pretty good handle on Pandoran biology (enough to clone a Na'vi), I think it's a possibility.

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

nobody would fund such a silly expedition.

Keep in mind that the mindset of the populace will be very different. Most of the Earth will be quite upset at the RDA's attacks, and if they're not, they don't deserve to be saved.
It could be possible for a non-RDA group to send an expidition to Pandora if a handful of idealistic, mega-rich donors stepped forward to fund it.

[jujubees]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

Irayo, ma oeya tsmuk. It would be a HORRIBLE thing to KIDNAP a pure spirit from it's kindred, and take it to Earth, but something that I would totally expect the VRRTEP sawtute to attempt. THIS is why they were run off, and why they would get an even more hostile reception should the attempt to return to continue their RAPE of Eywa 'Eveng.
Niri Te

A very good point. What I'm thinking is that humans will have to ASK for the seeds (or whatever would help back on Earth). They would have to prove that they deserve to have the Earth saved.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't believe that the majority of humans are in favor of how the RDA did things. There was probably a significant anti-RDA sentiment before the events of 2154, which would grow considerably after the truth about Hometree comes out. These folks would want to try and repair the relationship with the Na'vi, to prove that not all humans are as selfish and destructive as the RDA. I can see a civil war erupting, between those who want to rape Eywa and those who want to protect her. I can even see the "protectors" try to destroy the RDA ships when they return to Pandora, since Eywa can't.

[Niri Te]

Assuming that the initial landing party wasn't KILLED ON SIGHT by the Na'vi, or the "rebel" former mercenaries who have such a seething hatred for the RDA, and total distrust for ANYONE that might show up from Earth.
Remember, that these people are VERY well versed in military tactics, some are pilots that have the use of the aircraft that were left behind.
It could be pulled off, but the humans on Pandora would HAVE to be contacted by radio FIRST, and a delegation of UNARMED humans would HAVE to meet with the ay'eyktan si aytsahik, as well as the "Rebel Forces" who have now taken it as their sacred duty to protect the Na'vi, and Eywa 'Eveng with their very lives, if required.
As far as "sneaking up" on the moon is concerned, I think that it is not hard to understand that Eywa is either THE Deity of the Universe, or a "local" deity of the Star system in question, I forget if it is Alpha Centauri, or Alpha Proximi.
As such SHE will KNOW when the ships are approaching, ESPECIALLY if their hearts are evil. If that is the case, ALL of Pandora will have their targeting data supplied by Eywa, and the reception will be even more lopsided than the last battle.

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by jujubees

I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't believe that the majority of humans are in favor of how the RDA did things. There was probably a significant anti-RDA sentiment before the events of 2154, which would grow considerably after the truth about Hometree comes out. These folks would want to try and repair the relationship with the Na'vi, to prove that not all humans are as selfish and destructive as the RDA. I can see a civil war erupting, between those who want to rape Eywa and those who want to protect her. I can even see the "protectors" try to destroy the RDA ships when they return to Pandora, since Eywa can't.

I don't think that's a safe assumption to make, either for ideological or technical reasons. For one thing, there's no guarantee its easy for Hell's Gate to get a message back to Earth in such a way that the RDA can't intercept and read it beforehand. If it's not possible, the game's a bogey before it's even started. Another thing is that, as far as I know, we're shown that the majority of Earth doesn't care that strongly about the state of the ecology. Even if they did (which, as mentioned, is not a small if) then they may not be in a position that they can protest. Cameron is very much going for a grimdark-megacapatalist-impoverished future, and so it's very unlikely that corporations like the RDA don't have significant hold on the people, and they could use that to stop any protests. (Look at OWS for an example of how it doesn't always work.)