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Originally Posted by Sothis

The emotional maturity of the story improves a lot when the situation is allowed to have shades of grey, and I for one am a fan.

*BEAMS* absolutely. Morally grey is so, so much more fun, and that's the way I write. Particularly Trudy and Quaritch, because oh, man, the complexity there is just wonderful. And then you have Grace, who is elitist and misanthropic (and, one could argue wilfully blind in some cases) and yet also brilliant, and she certainly loves and adores the Na'vi children. And Jake, with his procrastination, and also his unthinking, idealistic dismissal of the RDA Marines as nothing more than thugs because he doesn't like the idea of mercenaries. And, hell, you even have Neytiri not telling Jake about the whole 'oops, yeah, sex under the tree of voices + combining queues = marriage for life' thing, and...

And more people should write about all that complexity, I mean, uh. <.<

Originally Posted by neytirifanboy

From my point of view, I have found that some of the more cliched statements bother me less as I watch the movie more. I really cringed the first time I heard "unobtanium" and "shock-and-awe". But when i have watched the movie more times, these things don't bother me at all now. I just accept that them as part of the movie. Especially Shock-and-awe. I just see it as the way Quaritch talks. To me, it is believable, as Quaritch speaks in cliches. But I can understand why others may not like it.

Now that's true enough! I find the more I watch, the more a lot of things don't bother me so much, or I relegate them to 'character', but it takes a while. And if I haven't watched canon for a while, it can still be a little jarring. I STILL block my ears when Jake is complaining about the RDA Marines because I want to thawp the boy over the head.

And also, I should say thank you for this discussion - I've been burned a bit with fans going 'no, the movie is genius, SHUT UP, HATER'. So, a nice, reasoned discussion is just lovely.