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[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Ashen Key

...it is NEVER okay to disrespect someone for not having the same level of education as yourself. NEVER.

Certainly fine to be anoyed when someone you expected for a job who would have been useful (and may very well ahve had a say in choosing in the first place) is replaced with someone knows literally nothing about what he's supposed to be doing though. Anyway, regardless of Jake, she was still right about the rest of the humans other than Max, the science lab staff and the other avatar drivers (who she all already trusted) - the only possible point there is Trudy but it seemed to me like Grace knew her well enough before, after all, Trudy did say that she was the pilot for all the science missions.

Not having the same education doesn't mean anything except they don't have the same education, and it has a very classist edge of snobbery to it. Not everyone can AFFORD to go to university, even if they wanted to. That doesn't mean they are stupid, it doesn't mean they are idiots, it just means that they didn't have the resources. Look at the recent trouble in Britain with students protesting that they can't afford the higher tuition fees - I highly doubt they are idiots just because they lack the money.

I never said that anyone was an idiot except for the Wainfleet types. Jake obviously had the potential (after all, Tom was his twin and obviously intelligent), he just never developed it until partway through the film.

And let us never forget that the poorer people in society are the main sources of soliders, just because it's a regularly paying job that gets them out of the situation they were born into.

Very true, but you also can't forget that while not everyone, some people DO take that job because it allows them to legally kill people and they enjoy it.

If that's the way Grace rolls, that's fine. That's the character, and it fits in with her general misanthropic attitude towards humanity. But it's not a good thing. It's a serious flaw and it's a prejudice towards those with less privilege than herself. I appreciate that side of her, as it makes her a flawed human being, but I don't agree with it and I cannot respect that attitude in the slightest.

I disagree, as she clearly worked hard to get to where she was, she saw what humans were doing and the people around her understood too.

"Back on Earth, these guys were Army-dogs, Marines, fighting for freedom. But here they are just hired guns, working for the company," is what I believe Jake roughly said. He didn't sound sarcastic to me. It's also clearly influenced how fandom views the marines, which is an attitude that ignores any chance for them to be interesting, complex, flawed PEOPLE obeying orders.

If they were truly people, they wouldn't obey those orders. AFAIK, it's even in their orders today that if they are ordered to commit an illegal act or war crime, they are supposed to refuse. Unfortunately, many people will carry our orders regardless (not just military, if you look at things like the Milgram experiment).

In my own canon, they are, because Jake has no idea what he is talking about. He hasn't asked them, he's just made assumptions. And assumptions that don't even make sense if one actually looks at what professional soldiers do.

Yet in canon, none of them questioned anything they were told. They willingly attacked sentient beings, killed children and babies, all because they were told to.

Actually, I thought the lines "we're mated for life" weren't cut, but it's been a while since I saw that bit of canon.

They weren't. What I meant was the lines from the original script, which is the only REAL indication Jake may not have known.

And Sothis has argued my point very clearly, although I'd add that I don't see Jake as the kind of person who would KNOWINGLY marry a girl he loved when he KNEW that there was a spot on the next shuttle back to Earth with his name on it. He's got more integrity than that, and he clearly worships the ground on which Neytiri walks. He wouldn't be that much of a cad to her.

Perhaps, but by then, he was already thinking of staying. He had even ALREADY told Quaritch he couldn't leave yet.