Neytiri - a message

[Oliver]

She will be in my mind!!

[Txewì]

Hello @all people here in the great "Tree of Souls" Forum.

Sorry for posting this here, but I didn`t find any thread for "Welcome newbies" in the forum.

Well, my name is Matthias. I live in Germany and I'm very happy to be here at you, also happy that Spain has defeated the German football team
That could sounds a little bit unpatriotic, but at first I hate football and second the German footballers are really arrogant at all. That's the two reasons why I'm glad to see in the 2010 final Spain vs. the Netherlands. Best wishes to these two great teams.

@Eltu, You're message about Neytiri is the main reason why I'm here in the "Tree of Souls". I've never read before such a beautiful and profound lyric concerning to Avatar.
Thank you very much Eltu for this! It inspired me every day. I try to live that it would be a honour for Neytiri.

So, here I am

[Eltu]

Thank you for your kind comments, Txewì.

Welcome to ToS - I hope you will have a great time here. If it's anything you need, just ask.

[Na'vi_supporter]

Hi Txewi. Welcome to our family. I wish you to experience nice time here with us .

[Uniltiranyu Tsamsiyu]

Originally Posted by Txewì

Hello @all people here in the great "Tree of Souls" Forum.

Sorry for posting this here, but I didn`t find any thread for "Welcome newbies" in the forum.

Well, my name is Matthias. I live in Germany and I'm very happy to be here at you, also happy that Spain has defeated the German football team
That could sounds a little bit unpatriotic, but at first I hate football and second the German footballers are really arrogant at all. That's the two reasons why I'm glad to see in the 2010 final Spain vs. the Netherlands. Best wishes to these two great teams.

@Eltu, You're message about Neytiri is the main reason why I'm here in the "Tree of Souls". I've never read before such a beautiful and profound lyric concerning to Avatar.
Thank you very much Eltu for this! It inspired me every day. I try to live that it would be a honour for Neytiri.

So, here I am

Actually there is a welcoming thread in "General Avatar Discussion", the link is here,
but welcome though.

[Tiberius]

A very interesting post Eltu. I agree with some of it, but I disagree with other aspects. Yes Neytiri has many qualities I admire - Her fierce loyalty to those she loves, her unconditional love, her ability to be strong and fierce, yet very gentle; but most of all I love her spirituality. She is guided by her spiritual connection to Eywa.

When she first sees Jake she wants to kill him, but a sign from Eywa holds her back. When Jake tries to follow her he pushes him back, until once more a sign from Eywa convinces her to bring him to the village.

Although you make some points about how people should emulate her, I also believe that there is a lot of hypocrisy; - In other words, people often claim that she is their role model and that she is an inspiration, yet they are really nothing like her. I'll give you some examples.

1) Loyalty to her people and to those she loves

Neytiri is loyal to her people, she loved them and she would even lay down her life for them, however when I come to these forums I come across people who have no love for their fellow humans, and have even disowned the human race. Neytiri never disowned her own people.

2) Neytiri's spirituality

Anyone who has seen the film knows that Neyriri is a very spiritual girl, - She Prays, She pays heed to Signs from Eywa (God), she is to be the next spiritual leader. Yet when I come here to these forums, many of the people who go on and on about how much they like her, have NO spirituality what-so-ever, and they have no intention of becoming spiritual.

3) Unconditional Love

One of the things which touched me the most about Neytiri was her Unconditional Love for Jake. When she sees him at the end in his human form, the differences between them is stark. She is a big blue beautiful woman of Pandora, and Jake is a little helpless alien from a distant planet and yet she could not care less about the differences, she loves him all the same. How many people here would be capable of this level of love.

What I am trying to say Eltu is that most people who claim to love Neytiri are too shallow to realise that they do not deserve her, and could never deserve her in a million years.
I think too many people are kidding themselves that they want to be like her, because ultimately when it comes to making the changes in their lives that are required, most people just cannot be bothered.

I'll be honest, Neytiri is the Only woman in a film that I have felt anything for, and yes I have wondered what it would be like to be in Jake's shoes. But she is not a role model for me, My role model is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So my message to all those who see Neytiri as an inspiration, is that ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Its easy to keep repeating how perfect she is, without bothering to do anything about your OWN Imperfections.

Take a look in the mirror and make yourself a better person.

[Layzie]

Originally Posted by Eltu

We have all seen Neytiri - as pixels on a monitor - as colors on the big screen - as 3d models in physical interpretations. But what is it, that makes us feel so strongly about Neytiri? What makes us feel so emotionally attached to her?

We humans often has a tendency of seeing things not physically tangible as "not real". But what makes something real? If we can be so strongly affected by Neytiri, how can she not be real?

What do we really see in Neytiri? Some see her emotional side, her personality - and some love her for her looks, her appearance. Is it a bad thing to love Neytiri for only her looks? Is it a bad thing to love Neytiri for only her personality? I say no.



Neytiri should be someone who's personality, happiness, beauty and lifestyle can guide us in life. Someone to look up to, to feel emotionally bound with. Feeling physical attraction to her is something I do as well - but we must never forget what Neytiri represents - and what we can learn from her and everything she stands for.

Yes, I am feeling physically attracted to Neytiri. And it's something I do not hide - like those of you who feel the same, I stand up for it. But I, and everyone else here too, should always remember that physical attraction is not all there is, and that Neytiri has more to teach us and show us, than a physical ideal to look up to.

I love her for her looks and physique, just as much as I love her for the emotional messages she shows all of us.

Different people might feel attracted to different sides of Neytiri - and of course everyone should be free to feel whatever that person wants. But I know that all of you sees Neytiri for more than a sex object - and I hope we can all remember that she is so much more than just that. I know that we here - we can all learn from ALL sides of her, and let her guide us in our daily lives.

No, she is not a godly thing. But what she REPRESENTS is - it's something we all can learn from - something we can look at, as an example of how our lives should be.

If you don't need to change your life, you don't have to. But... at least for me... it feels great to have something to reflect upon, look at and say - "I can change my life to become more like hers".



And that's the thing. Neytiri will last FOREVER. She is something we can ALWAYS look at, think about - she won't leave us, she won't disappear - she will be in our minds, if we let her.

Isn't THAT real?

Neytiri can have an impact on our lives - what she represents has the power to change who we are - isn't that real?

Neytiri isn't just pixels on a screen - Neytiri is a MESSAGE.

And a very real one.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The bolded part - I'm really glad you said that. It is that reason why it actually hurts to see people make stuff like that Avatar porn thing.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Layzie

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The bolded part - I'm really glad you said that. It is that reason why it actually hurts to see people make stuff like that Avatar porn thing.

Rule 34 applies to everything.

EVERYTHING.


It just is, trust me, you don't want to know the thing's some of us have seen.

[Layzie]

^ I don't think I understand. I don't know what "Rule 34" is????

[Isard]

Rule 34 states that if it exists there is porn of it, no exceptions.

[Spock]

You have my complete and utter support defending Neytiri in every way Eltu.

[Eltu]

Talk about reviving an old thread Bur it's fine, as long as we got things to discuss

Anyway,

Originally Posted by Tiberius

people often claim that she is their role model and that she is an inspiration, yet they are really nothing like her.

Originally Posted by Tiberius

...following text...

Of course this is the case. If we were all like Neytiri, there would be no need to hold her as an inspiration. We can be inspired by Neytiri, but that does not mean we should BE Neytiri.

To give you an example - you say:

Originally Posted by Tiberius

My role model is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Would you like to actually BE your God, or Jesus Christ? Of course not.

It's the same with Neytiri - being exactly like her is literally impossible, but we can still let her influence our lives in order to live more happily.

[neytirifanboy]

That was a very good analysis. It said everything that should be said. Not only about Neytiri herself, but how each of us should see her.

I am always in favour of seeing others analysing why they like Neytiri. It is a subject that never gets old.

I would be tempted to put this in the Commentary section, because the first post is really an article and is the principle post of the whole thread.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

A very interesting post Eltu. I agree with some of it, but I disagree with other aspects. Yes Neytiri has many qualities I admire - Her fierce loyalty to those she loves, her unconditional love, her ability to be strong and fierce, yet very gentle; but most of all I love her spirituality. She is guided by her spiritual connection to Eywa.

When she first sees Jake she wants to kill him, but a sign from Eywa holds her back. When Jake tries to follow her he pushes him back, until once more a sign from Eywa convinces her to bring him to the village.

Although you make some points about how people should emulate her, I also believe that there is a lot of hypocrisy; - In other words, people often claim that she is their role model and that she is an inspiration, yet they are really nothing like her. I'll give you some examples.

If someone is exactly like you, they are neither an inspiration nor a role model.

1) Loyalty to her people and to those she loves

Neytiri is loyal to her people, she lvoed them and she would even lay down her life for them, however when I come to these forums I come across people who have no love for their fellow humans, and have even disowned the human race. Neytiri never disowned her own people.

I haven't disowned humans. I just wish to be something more. Those views are a world apart. Yes, I dislike the way the majority of humans are, but I still think that people COULD change if they had the chance.
I'm sure 98% of people here could assure you of my loyalty to the people I care about - the people here, my family, and a small group of AFK friends. I would do just about anything to keep them happy, together, safe. If anyone hurt them, I would hurt that person back because while there aren't MANY things I may care about that much, what there is is that important to me.

2) Neytiri's spirituality

Anyone who has seen the film knows that Neyriri is a very spiritual girl, - She Prays, She pays heed to Signs from Eywa (God), she is to be the next spiritual leader. Yet when I come here to these forums, many of the people who go on and on about how much they like her, have NO spirituality what-so-ever, and they have no intention of becoming spiritual.

Eywa and human concepts of 'god' are completely different ideas. Eywa is not some superbeing who creates life but an EMBODIMENT of the interconnectedness of life on Pandora. Everything about Eywa is physically possible, as she is basically a nervous system on a geological scale. Eywa doesn't ask for mindless devotion like most human religions, but is a physical being. the Na'vi do not wish for good things to happen to them, they know that as part of Pandora, Eywa is dedicated to balance. They aren't coerced by fear of punishment, but driven by their own experience.
There's a difference between being spiritual and blind faith. I guess that in a way, I am 'spiritual' despite not believing in the paranormal (not that I'd say that to most people because they would misunderstand, but I think people here will get what I mean ), in terms of what I think about things like love, or even happiness, or just the human need for company. There's no need to believe in an invisible being or force to do that.

3) Unconditional Love

One of the things which touched me the most about Neytiri was her Unconditional Love for Jake. When she sees him at the end in his human form, the differences between them is stark. She is a big blue beautiful woman of Pandora, and Jake is a little helpless alien from a distant planet and yet she could not care less about the differences, she loves him all the same. How many people here would be capable of this level of love.

Me, for one. There was a thread on learnnavi forums about 'what would it be like if the Na'vi were non-humanoid' and I said there that truthfully, we can't control who we fall in love with. If there was an alien species who were physically different from humans and I met them and fell in love with one, I would hold that as important as I would love of anyone else.

What I am trying to say Eltu is that most people who claim to love Neytiri are too shallow to realise that they do not deserve her, and could never deserve her in a million years.

You just contradicted your previous point.

I think too many people are kidding themselves that they want to be like her, because ultimately when it comes to making the changes in their lives that are required, most people just cannot be bothered.

Yet you claim you can? That's just pure arrogance.
Inspiration doesn't need to be complete, people cab be inspired by aSPECTS or someoen or something and it's just as valid. Neither do people need to COMPLETELY change.

I'll be honest, Neytiri is the Only woman in a film that I have felt anything for, and yes I have wondered what it would be like to be in Jake's shoes. But she is not a role model for me, My role model is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Fine for you (AS LONG AS you can accept it isn't everyone's), but don't go insulting other people's inspiration or claiming they shouldn't or aren't worthy of it, or being all superior about yours. Whatever works for someone works for them. Neytiri inspired me in many things, from wanting true love as opposed to just some random who would be willing to have a relationship, to caring a lot more about the environment.
If you want to see Avatar as an analogy for your beliefs, if it makes you happy then go ahead, but don't dismiss the fact that is is NOT that for everyone.

Originally Posted by Layzie

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The bolded part - I'm really glad you said that. It is that reason why it actually hurts to see people make stuff like that Avatar porn thing.

I also agree with Eltu for the most part, but I have to say, that yes, Neytiri IS attractive. Yes, people ARE attracted to her. I am, more than I am to any random human. In the end, people have the right to do things their own way. I may find Neytiri the most physically attractive person in existence, but I ALSO find her attractive in infinite other ways which mean that I do respect her.

[SaphirJD]

Avatar Porn.. Just a sick try from sarcastic people, that world is sometimes really a strange place.

Neytiris Strength and strong will also inspired me, she's a free spirit, not bond on useless things like many of us are - i really try to create also my piece of making me free from all which puts me towards the ground.

Like Neytiri we should go forward and fight for what we believe in

She is a very big part why i love Avatar so much and inspires me for greater things in life to reach out for