Birds Falling Out Of The Sky?! - Debate

[Woodsprite]

Well, in response to Focus's post from the last thread,

Originally Posted by Fosus

Isard And Woodsprite. You have stated that poisoning 4 million birds in a year is no big deal to you, right?

I'd like to ask a personal question then. Feel free to leave it unanswered.. I'm just curious.

Is there any life form that you have zero tolerance with? Any species you would mind being poisoned in just a little amounts?
The kind of impression your posts have given to me is that the only life you respect is human life..

I am not for the act of killing birds just for the sake of killing birds. The blackbirds were causing crop failure, and farmers were hurt. This isn't about just killing. If the thread were about "4 million blackbirds dead from hunters" then yes, I'd be angry. There's no reason for that.

But there's a good reason for their deaths in this case.

[auroraglacialis]

Replies and quotes from the previous thread

Originally Posted by Isard

[On writing letters/petitions to the government.] You're right, it wont help. Because you wont do it.

Well, I did not write a letter yet, no, but that is usually because someone else prepared a letter, a petition or a lawsuit for many of the topics already and I can be lazy to just put my name on it or my body on the street. And I have signed petitions, participated in campains and protests, walked the streets with posters shouting against loss of privacy and the rise of the police state, put my name on lawsuits against laws that are about to destroy liberty and freedom and so on. I created and printed posters and glued them on walls and in the streets to get people to sign a petition and vote on a "citizens vote" against a construction project. I've seen what leads to what and I have seen that writing letters and walking the streets alone are not as effective as the effort that is put into it would suggest. The lawsuit was a success BTW, but that is hardly a friendly letter to "my coucilmen".

Originally Posted by Isard

Because, you know, the radio and the internet have sterling reputations for being unbaised...

I'd be interested in knowing one thing. You always insist here, that all of the people who are of a different opinion are biased and influenced by biased and propagandist media. Not only is that nonsense (I have come to many of my conclusions by myself and in my experience as a scientist), but I ask myself: What source of information do you, Isard, have that is unbiased and not propagandist? Because if you have none, if your source of information is corporate media, Fox News, Glenn Beck,... etc you cannot claim "high ground" on that issue.

Originally Posted by Isard

You don't see them as people. They're "the government", "the corporations", and they cause all your problems. The first step in rabble rousing is making your "enemies" less than human

Erm - corporation ARE not human and not people. Just because they are called "legal persons" does not make them persons. People work for corporations, but the idea that a corporation is a legal entity with rights is part of the whole insanity. It enables people to act irresponsibly and destructive without having to take the beat for it. Some guy poisoning birds can always say "it is only my job", same can the guy who cuts down trees, who decides to save the money for a second blowout preventer on a drilling rig or a good german in the 1940ies who is burning bodies at Dachau.
By taking away the responsability of each person and putting it into a "limited liability" agreement, this is a free letter to destroy everything - human and nonhuman.

Originally Posted by Isard

And I'm not sure you understand Walmart. We doesn't manufacture anything, we're a wholesale distributor.

Thanks for the "we". That clears up A LOT! OMG!

really!? "we at Walmart..."

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

I am not for the act of killing birds just for the sake of killing birds. The blackbirds were causing crop failure[...] But there's a good reason for their deaths in this case.

That makes it abundantly clear indeed. The life of birds is just not worth as much as the profit made by the farmers that would be reduced by crop loss. Very easy $$$ > life . As I said: insane and seriously not worthy of someone callimg himself "seed of the sacred tree". More like Mr "they can move" Selfridge...