So, I saw The Eagle

[Ashen Key]

Originally Posted by Theorist

Small conflicts between groups of people might have been happening for a long time, but Europeans definately started large scale warfare.

...no, they didn't. Ever heard of the Persian Empire? Or Asoka (Indian emperor, this is pretty much what he conquered) Or all the wars in the Bible that happened before Europe was anything more than a bunch of clans?

B. As I said in my point D, if you apply tribal warfare loss per year to the twentieth century, we'd be looking at a wardead of 2 billion. We don't have that in the twentieth century.

C. PURE numbers? No, of course. But it's the same percentage, meaning it's built into our nature. Fight more, get more women, thus get more babies is pretty much the biological logic behind it.

I have no idea why you are bringing up Somalia for. Empires mess people up, yes. I'm...not arguing otherwise?

Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto

Though I think we're not discussing the same group. You're talking about agriculturalist groups, I'm talking about hunter-gatherer groups. Yes, agriculture made people more war-like, due to the need to acquire land for cultivation. Nomadic tendencies of hunter-gatherers reduced the possibility of squabbling over land.

Actually, we ARE discussing the same group. The Yanomami practice slash-and-burn agriculture. They are just popular conceived of as being hunter-gatherers, for some bizare reason. Farming doesn't make people more warlike - we're pretty warlike already, and getting steadily more peaceful. Fighting = more women = more babies. It's only later that is turned into other concepts.