How Many Humans were at Hell's Gate?

[X.,.Pandora.,.X]

Originally Posted by EywaBlessMe

There are 13. I counted them all.
I add these pix as proof.
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...327-avs_1.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...328-avs_2.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...329-avs_3.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...330-avs_4.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...331-avs_5.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...332-avs_6.html
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/members...333-avs_7.html

Note, the one in the dorm cabin is hard to see, but a blue shadow is seen walking by, and is several feet taller than the human scientist walking along outside the same window.[EDIT, if you see two in the dorm cabin, add one.]

I wonder why scientists walking outside don't fear attack by stingbats...

this made me smile hahaha 13 people are at hells gate 'nuff said

[Ashen Key]

Originally Posted by Sothis

Just remembered something else. The man and woman leaning over Jake when he first wakes up in his avatar... are also avatar-drivers, out of link. The man definitely is, because you see him climbing into a link during one of the deleted scenes. I can't remember if you see the woman doing the same, but she shows up a lot in other scenes and seems to act and react like an avatar-driver.

The plot thickens.

....oops, I forgot about them. So that's...at least fourteen. *rubs head* Hrm, that seems rather a lot, particularly as presumably there would be more avatar-drivers arriving on some of the incoming ISVs.

[Human No More]

Maybe they don't arrive on every ISV, just when more are needed (especially since I doubt many, if any at all, would want to ever leave once they are there).

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Sothis

Oooh... thanks for the screencaps; they're excellent. Definitely a useful reference.

Hmm, this is interesting. The way I got "ten," initially, is that I studied shots of the link room and the longhouse. There are definitely ten link beds and ten bunks, so I'd assumed that there were ten avatars. If there's more, the question is where are the "extra" avatars linking up, and where are they parking them at night? We know the mobile link station has 3 links, so they could be using that. But I don't see any good reason that they wouldn't have enough bunks to accommodate all the avatars, as it doesn't seem like it'd be difficult/expensive to make more. I'll have to think about it.

Presumably there is a second building that just wasn't in the shot.
Not all the avatars would be linked at once - ten plus the mobile sites should be enough, plus it doesn't preclude that room being the main one with maybe a smaller secondary one existing as well.

[Ashen Key]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Maybe they don't arrive on every ISV, just when more are needed (especially since I doubt many, if any at all, would want to ever leave once they are there).

*nodnods* oh, yes, I wasn't thinking EVERY ISV, but maybe every two or three. Given there are, what, six ships still en-route, that leaves (if they arrive in pairs, which I can actually see as being standard, kind of a buddy-system) six or four, potentially.

[EywaBlessMe]

[U]Don't forget, these are just the ones we can see, excluding any possibly out of the scene or on sortie.

[Banefull]

According to Pandorapedia:

Only twenty avatars have been produced thus far.

So we know what the absolute maximum number is. A few of the avatars that were created probably were just "test" avatars back on Earth when the technology was still being developed so approximately fourteen avatars on Pandora sounds reasonable.

[Human No More]

Or those twenty could be he ones that were actually brought to Pandora because the background mentions a lot of research before making proper avatars. Either way, 20 as a maximum for avatars sounds like a reasonable number.

[Palulukan Makto]

I still think that the ISV dilemma should be taken into account. I'm sure that there are more than 200 support staff, soldiers, and scientists left. I have a feeling that they just used the extra cargo space, and some unlucky people had to be conscious the whole time.

[Human No More]

The ISVs don't have enough life support capacity - their life support systems support a single active crew during the journey (of which there are three on rotation with the others in cryo) and a secondary life support system is used when loading/unloading people from cryo, but doesn't have the power or resources for a whole journey - if the cryo systems failed, the passengers would die.