That's it. I'm moving when I get my degree.

[Ashen Key]

I apologize for insulting you, quite sincerely.

But I will not, and never will, apologize for my position on woman's rights and a woman's right to chose to take what control she can over her own body and her own life. So, yes, I do believe on this we have nothing further to say to each other.

[BotanicalMedley]

[QUOTE=Woodsprite;138857]Do you know what it's like to actually be able to feel the small baby scrambling and writhing inside you while it's slowly cut up into pieces at only weeks old? or experiencing the trauma afterward, of watching the pieces being sucked out of you?QUOTE]

But at a few weeks old, would it actually feel anything? It takes longer than a few weeks for it to grow a brain, heart, etc., no? Also, isn't the mother sedated...? And I thought the doctors just cut the umbilical cord. Why would they cut the fetus up?

I'm sorry, I'm still in school and I haven't learned about this sort of stuff yet.

I'm not sure what to think about this. Indeed, I feel it's a natural right for a women have full control of her life, and yet, it's still a living being. *sigh* I'm torn, but I'm leading towards no. If the doctors are absolutely sure that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks, I say hell no to abortion at that time because to do that is completely f***ed up.

[tm20]

they could use the foetus' for their stem cells

*is it spelt fetus or foetus? anyway, its a waste of a dying fetus. why not use one life to possibly save many

[Tsyal Makto]

Join the club, Isard.

Next stop, the United States of Canada. I would be moving to Italy if 'ol Silvio wasn't such an asshat.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto

Join the club, Isard.

Next stop, the United States of Canada. I would be moving to Italy if 'ol Silvio wasn't such an asshat.

Canada is out too. Their conservative party is going even beyond ours in terms of asshattery. They're screening attendees to political conferences. Australia is the best place for young professionals to head for. Inflation's pretty bad, hole in the ozone layer, but their economy is relatively stable otherwise, and their conservatives are just concerned over size A breasts and blood in video games. I can live with that. I cant live under biblical law.

[josie20]

*smh*

[Banefull]

There isn’t some big conspiracy on the pro-life side to simply limit women’s rights. I’m all for expanding women’s rights; however, I think that rights have limitations especially when they infringe upon the rights of other groups (in this case the unborn). Please don't paint us as somehow being pro-rape or anti-woman. Using such ad hominems is an excuse to avoid rational debate about the actual issue.

[Disco Scratch]

As soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg and cellular division begins that’s when new life exists.

If you allow women to get an abortion purely because they say they’ve been raped then that would become the new avenue they would take to get rid of a “mistake” if a regular abortion is no longer an option. Abortions cannot be seen as the ultimate form of birth control.

I got my first girlfriend pregnant and because I couldn’t buy her a very expensive ring she left me and had an abortion. That was a bit unfair to me wouldn’t you say? I should be a father right now with a six year old son or daughter and I think about that everyday. I have to live with the fact that my ex-girlfriend ended the life of my child purely based on the fact that I could not afford a clear rock mounted on a piece of metal. Allowing women to just go right in and have an abortion is wrong because it can be done for the wrong reasons. I am one of the men who does care and I was very excited about being a father, but that was ripped away from me in a moment of pure evil and greed.

[Banefull]

Perhaps I did misunderstand, sorry if I did.


But I thought I would post this: Norma McCorvey Biography aka Jane Roe
Most people don't actually know what really happened in Roe vs Wade.

And here is Roe's own personal website.

[Human No More]

Australia is if anything worse, their censorship laws make them the China or Iran of the western world.
Honestly though, every country has political idiots.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Australia is if anything worse, their censorship laws make them the China or Iran of the western world.
Honestly though, every country has political idiots.

It's not that bad... Besides, as far as happiness goes, there are no happier (and as a whole, well off) people than Aussies. Low poverty, no ****ing winter. No Republicans. Win win win win win.

[applejuice]

Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

Exactly, and if we continue to promote sex education and fund groups like Planned Parenthood, unintentional pregnancies will slowly but steadily fall. Oh, wait, except we're halting sex ed and defending Planned Parenthood. herp derp.

[Banefull]

Originally Posted by applejuice

To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

The scary thing is: 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Worldwide, approximately 42 million abortions occur per year.

[Disco Scratch]

Originally Posted by applejuice

Rape is a crime, to force a woman to continue a pregnancy derived from a rape is very likely to do more damage to the woman in the long term than the death of the future child. To get an abortion with no real basis, like the sad case that Eternal Enigma exposes, is also a crime. So... difficult decision for the woman, but in the end, in the particular case of rape, abortion should be an option. For other cases, probably won't be necessary.

April 14th is the closely approaching anniversary and it is something that weighs heavily on my mind especially in the month of April.

In today’s age of partying and “hooking up” abortion has become the ultimate form of birth control. If there’s a lack of contraceptive involved women can’t have the view that “O’well I’ll just have an abortion I’ve already have five this year anyways.” Then again if abortion is illegalized only to the exception of those who are rape victims then every woman who shows up for an abortion will say they’ve been raped if it’s true or not.

The only reason abortion should even be on the table is in the instance that doctors are able to confirm without a shadow of a doubt that the unborn child will be underdeveloped in an inhumane way, which would render the child incapable of living a meaningful life. If the child is going to be a vegetable its entire life I could see why the parents may make the mutual decision to abort the pregnancy. Sure, you could go through with that sort of pregnancy, but the inescapable reality is that both parents will eventually get old and will become unable to take care of this child who needs care 24/7 from now on. So that’s the only area where an abortion should even be considered.

For those who accidently get pregnant they should not be able to view abortion as a way to “fix the problem.” If you give them that right then that’s what it’ll be. If you don’t want children don’t have sex, use the proper contraceptives if you do, or get fixed so you can’t. SIMPLE!

For those who are rape victims… the majority of real rapes end with the woman being found dead so pregnancy really isn’t an issue.